I’ve been using their Unlimited plan for over a year. ~$8 a month for half a TB of cloud storage, automatic photo backup on mobile, fantastic web email and mobile email client, and a great VPN that allows for port forwarding and P2P-optimized servers.
Totally worth it for me. Great feature set, especially on their email. Everything runs smoothly on my systems. I run Linux on everything and their web client has always been really clean and responsive. Their mobile client too. I use GrapheneOS and haven’t noticed any issues with their email or VPN app so far.
Made switching from Outlook & Gmail super easy. I don’t miss those trash services at all, especially not Outlook lol.
You short think of it as a primarily paid service with a free trial, not a “free, but with paid subscription for extra stuff” type of deal
they even go as far as to attach an ad with a referral link to all of your outbound mail on the free tier (btw hiding the fact that this happens is kinda scummy but whatever; if you’re curious, it’s all the way at the bottom of the settings menu, and locked unless you pay up)
also, it defaults to proton.me, but some large websites including ph don’t accept these, protonmail.com addresses are a lot more reliable
I used proton mail for a long time on a paid plan with a bunch of aliases, but dumped it eventually, now I just have a free email acct with them.
I pay for their VPN.
I dont use proton drive despite the cool name. 5gb isn’t enough for me to care, and I dont care enough to pay for cloud storage at this point in my life.
Give it a try and see. I’m currently looking at moving from them, I shifted everything google workspace to proton in Nov and my main issue has been with Drive the whole time. The email is ok, but as it’s all encrypted the search is next to useless.
I’ve just had ongoing problems since the start. I had ~100gb from Google Drive and it hasn’t been able to sync it all, the software constantly gets stuck (like it says it’s syncing, but if I close it and reopen it says “last synced 2 days ago”, etc), when I check on mobile some files are there and others aren’t. At one point they even gave me some custom script to run, I can’t remember what it did now.
It probably works well for a lot of people but in my experience it isn’t ready yet, and unfortunately it will get compared to Google Drive which it isn’t at the same level as yet.
So real talk, what is the benefit to using proton over gmail? I am relatively well versed in the issues of Google and privacy, but im just wondering if there is anything more to it’s benefit outside of the general privacy issues, which is obviously already a big draw away from Gmail.
Privacy is also practically not better than google, microsoft or apple unless you never send an e-mail to an adress from there. But since propably about 90% are hosted on either of them it does not really matter. Best to not use e-mails at all for any sensitive data about you.
It’s not solely about the emails you send but the emails you receive.
If your email provider is google for example then all the emails you receive, like shopping, newsletters, whatever are used to create an advertising profile of you. That is one of the few things you have and should take control of with a privacy respecting provider.
I’m the wrong person to ask. I wouldn’t know if there’s anything fancy you can do with emails that makes one host better than another. I use them for the privacy. I send emails, sometimes to multiple people, sometimes with attachments. That’s as fancy as I get.
Apparently you have to forward an email address to get the 1GB. I downloaded it and set it up. I was able to lie and say I moved the rest of the applications by just saying done.
Great incentive, very clever move by Proton. All stuff that’s a good idea anyway but it’s just way too easy to “get around to all that later.” Then it’s 2034 already and Google still has you leashed tight.
Very good - unless Proton Mail is their first email account. Forcing (or strongly encouraging) them to have a Google account first is counterproductive.
I’ve had ProtonVPN for 3 years now and I have 0 complaints.
It’s the only VPN I’ve ever used that doesn’t have less bandwidth on VPN than off. I regularly saturate my gigabit connection for hours at a time with 0 issues or throttling, and tunnel my torrent client’s traffic through it 24/7. It also allows me to watch 4k content on mobile data without throttling and circumvent my phone provider’s restrictions on hotspot/tethering that they want me to pay $30/month to remove.
The reason it works is because telecom providers use DNS-based throttling instead of deep packet inspection to selectively limit bandwidth to video sites. They have a massive list of all the popular streaming sites (YouTube, AppleTV, Netflix, etc.) and then throttle the sites in the list. When providers say “unlimited 480p video streaming” they actually have no clue what video quality you are watching. They just pick a bandwidth limitation that would only allow 480p video to play without buffering.
They could in theory use network traffic analysis to identify video websites which have bursty bandwidth patterns (due to the nature of video buffers), but this would be more difficult, more expensive, and extremely prone to false positives.
Write your data as base64 string and scroll it star wars intro style. Bam, unlimited storage on Google via YouTube once you write an ocr to base64 decoder.
im sure there are some image steganography techniques that could also apply to video. i’d be very surprised if there aren’t people hiding data in videos already.
My issue with them is that they make their lower tier plans too enticing. I’ve wanted to upgrade to pro for all the fancy gizmos but the basic mail plan is just too good a deal to upgrade.
Unlimited for seven or so years now, never regretted it in the slightest. I feel like they throw some bonus to you whenever they can - under promise, over deliver. I’ve been burned a lot by companies that became evil over time, hence I’m careful with praise but so far Proton has been one of the most pleasant customer experiences I had.
Their en-goodifying trend is concerning to be sure, it’s almost like they want users to value their service. It’s so confusing in today’s business world.
The problem is a lack of context, you post an innocent question but people reading it can’t tell if it’s a troll or what. You’ve got to be careful about wording stuff online, but also just ignore the imaginary internet points.
Yea it can come off as sealioning but also it’s a bit of a daft question. If it gets enshittified then we move on to something that isn’t shit? What other answer do they expect from a tech forward community.
Honestly, I don’t even think it is a fair question. What about asking “when they reach enshittification” gives any options on the answer? They become shitty, like everything else.
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I got this email too… And I’m already paying for Mail Plus so it doesn’t apply to me
Nice.
👍
Raises the question how is proton paying for all this?
idk, my $100/year for the email, 10 simultaneous vpns, and
510GBnow 520GB of storage.but there’s probably other revenue sources other than my one annual plan 🤷
So serious question. Is proton worth it and easy to work with?
I’ve been using their Unlimited plan for over a year. ~$8 a month for half a TB of cloud storage, automatic photo backup on mobile, fantastic web email and mobile email client, and a great VPN that allows for port forwarding and P2P-optimized servers.
Totally worth it for me. Great feature set, especially on their email. Everything runs smoothly on my systems. I run Linux on everything and their web client has always been really clean and responsive. Their mobile client too. I use GrapheneOS and haven’t noticed any issues with their email or VPN app so far.
Made switching from Outlook & Gmail super easy. I don’t miss those trash services at all, especially not Outlook lol.
Outlook with Gmail is what I currently use. So, trying to move away from that.
free plan is definitely not worth switching to;
You short think of it as a primarily paid service with a free trial, not a “free, but with paid subscription for extra stuff” type of deal
they even go as far as to attach an ad with a referral link to all of your outbound mail on the free tier (btw hiding the fact that this happens is kinda scummy but whatever; if you’re curious, it’s all the way at the bottom of the settings menu, and locked unless you pay up)
also, it defaults to
proton.me, but some large websitesincluding phdon’t accept these,protonmail.comaddresses are a lot more reliableI used proton mail for a long time on a paid plan with a bunch of aliases, but dumped it eventually, now I just have a free email acct with them.
I pay for their VPN.
I dont use proton drive despite the cool name. 5gb isn’t enough for me to care, and I dont care enough to pay for cloud storage at this point in my life.
Give it a try and see. I’m currently looking at moving from them, I shifted everything google workspace to proton in Nov and my main issue has been with Drive the whole time. The email is ok, but as it’s all encrypted the search is next to useless.
What’s your issue with Drive?
Also, you can enable better search, it’s just gonna take a while at first to download and decrypt your content in your browser to be able to search it
I’ve just had ongoing problems since the start. I had ~100gb from Google Drive and it hasn’t been able to sync it all, the software constantly gets stuck (like it says it’s syncing, but if I close it and reopen it says “last synced 2 days ago”, etc), when I check on mobile some files are there and others aren’t. At one point they even gave me some custom script to run, I can’t remember what it did now.
It probably works well for a lot of people but in my experience it isn’t ready yet, and unfortunately it will get compared to Google Drive which it isn’t at the same level as yet.
I use them for email. They’re exactly like any regular email except with the potential for encryption.
So real talk, what is the benefit to using proton over gmail? I am relatively well versed in the issues of Google and privacy, but im just wondering if there is anything more to it’s benefit outside of the general privacy issues, which is obviously already a big draw away from Gmail.
Privacy is also practically not better than google, microsoft or apple unless you never send an e-mail to an adress from there. But since propably about 90% are hosted on either of them it does not really matter. Best to not use e-mails at all for any sensitive data about you.
It’s not solely about the emails you send but the emails you receive.
If your email provider is google for example then all the emails you receive, like shopping, newsletters, whatever are used to create an advertising profile of you. That is one of the few things you have and should take control of with a privacy respecting provider.
I’m the wrong person to ask. I wouldn’t know if there’s anything fancy you can do with emails that makes one host better than another. I use them for the privacy. I send emails, sometimes to multiple people, sometimes with attachments. That’s as fancy as I get.
I use them as my main e-mail and my Gmail for all the spam shit.
I’d rather have more storage space with all paid plans and I want all proxy locations to also be P2P locations.
Apparently you have to forward an email address to get the 1GB. I downloaded it and set it up. I was able to lie and say I moved the rest of the applications by just saying done.
you can remove it after
Great incentive, very clever move by Proton. All stuff that’s a good idea anyway but it’s just way too easy to “get around to all that later.” Then it’s 2034 already and Google still has you leashed tight.
Ya know what dude, you’re totally right! Fuck it, I’m making the jump! 😃🤘
Very good - unless Proton Mail is their first email account. Forcing (or strongly encouraging) them to have a Google account first is counterproductive.
That is an absurdly small number of people to be considered counterproductive.
This is actually kind of huge. I use a variety of cloud storage providers but Proton are the only one I trust to not need Cryptomator!
Ban public financing.
Niiiice. I use a free account for some backups of some files and this is definitely a huge plus.
I’ve had ProtonVPN for 3 years now and I have 0 complaints.
It’s the only VPN I’ve ever used that doesn’t have less bandwidth on VPN than off. I regularly saturate my gigabit connection for hours at a time with 0 issues or throttling, and tunnel my torrent client’s traffic through it 24/7. It also allows me to watch 4k content on mobile data without throttling and circumvent my phone provider’s restrictions on hotspot/tethering that they want me to pay $30/month to remove.
Best $5/month I’ve ever spent.
My complaint about ProtonVPN is they don’t support custom DNS in the apps. It would be nice to use NextDNS.
I know NORB has its flaws but I DO get 100MB/s off’a it.
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it is gfeat too but.no.port forwarding is a deal breaker :)
I think ivpn has port forwarding if you want more options. I’m a proton unlimited subscriber though and I love it.
I am a proton subscriber aswell, it is really good
I had no idea you could use a VPN to circumvent mobile data throttling. Fucking amazing info, mate.
This doesn’t make any sense. Your phone service provider can’t see what you’re doing, but surely they can see how much data you’re using.
He added more info, is for site/media specific restrictions. Like only 480p video or stuff like that.
As other said, it doesn’t follow net neutrality but…that depens on country and other stuff.
Glad to help!
The reason it works is because telecom providers use DNS-based throttling instead of deep packet inspection to selectively limit bandwidth to video sites. They have a massive list of all the popular streaming sites (YouTube, AppleTV, Netflix, etc.) and then throttle the sites in the list. When providers say “unlimited 480p video streaming” they actually have no clue what video quality you are watching. They just pick a bandwidth limitation that would only allow 480p video to play without buffering.
They could in theory use network traffic analysis to identify video websites which have bursty bandwidth patterns (due to the nature of video buffers), but this would be more difficult, more expensive, and extremely prone to false positives.
If you can, it’s actually a bad thing because it means the Telco is violating net neutrality by picking and choosing certain traffic to zero-rate.
Not all countries are lucky enough to have net neutrality…
It violates the principle and is therefore a bad thing regardless of what the law is.
I still remember how ludicrous it was when Gmail offered 1GB for free. What did Hotmail give us? Like 50Mbs?
I think it was 15mb but don’t really remember fully
15GB. And if you had 365 it’s 50GB.
I am talking way back in the day.
2MB iirc
I remember when Google offered “unlimited” for free.
@grue @AbsurdityAccelerator Google bad.
I’m pretty sure I have 1TB of storage on yahoo email.
…Yahoo though, so I’m moving to proton
They still do if you can store data as a video file on Youtube.
Write your data as base64 string and scroll it star wars intro style. Bam, unlimited storage on Google via YouTube once you write an ocr to base64 decoder.
im sure there are some image steganography techniques that could also apply to video. i’d be very surprised if there aren’t people hiding data in videos already.
Until your video gets compressed — anything that damages the pixels would probably destroy the data completely.
I’ve definitely seen image steganography techniques that survive lossy compression.
There are. A few months ago I’ve seen a Github project aimed at exactly that, already functional at the time
P.S. found https://github.com/DvorakDwarf/Infinite-Storage-Glitch
I started with Hotmail back when it was 2 mb.
Wow. I guess we didn’t really send attachments that often back then and 2mb was plenty.
Well and the attachments we did send were rarely anywhere close to 2MB. Uploading 2MBs on dial-up was TORTURE, especially my shitty rural dial-up.
Spending fuckin a half hour to download a shitty quality mp3 of FFVIII Eyes on Me using a download resumer after it fuCKING FAILED FOR THE THIRD TIME
IT’S ONLY A COUPLE MEGS HOLY ASS
Man, Proton sure has gone up hill lately.
For real. Why haven’t I given them money yet?
My issue with them is that they make their lower tier plans too enticing. I’ve wanted to upgrade to pro for all the fancy gizmos but the basic mail plan is just too good a deal to upgrade.
Unlimited for seven or so years now, never regretted it in the slightest. I feel like they throw some bonus to you whenever they can - under promise, over deliver. I’ve been burned a lot by companies that became evil over time, hence I’m careful with praise but so far Proton has been one of the most pleasant customer experiences I had.
Their en-goodifying trend is concerning to be sure, it’s almost like they want users to value their service. It’s so confusing in today’s business world.
What happens when they reach the point of “enshittification”?
Then you should migrate to another service.
Company: Marginally improves free product tier
You: “Well shit, this is the beginning of the end for those guys!”
Next time you see that comment box open up before typing something - think.
They don’t have shareholders to please and don’t seem to be hungry for money right now.
Once that changes, sure, they’ll go downwards.
Word of advice for you, if you have this attitude towards everything you won’t enjoy anything in life anymore.
It’s a fair question these days but I probably deserve the kick back. 😀
The problem is a lack of context, you post an innocent question but people reading it can’t tell if it’s a troll or what. You’ve got to be careful about wording stuff online, but also just ignore the imaginary internet points.
Rimmer here is right, and remember, without him life would be much dimmer
That’s Mr Arnold Rimmer BSc SSc to you
Yea it can come off as sealioning but also it’s a bit of a daft question. If it gets enshittified then we move on to something that isn’t shit? What other answer do they expect from a tech forward community.
Honestly, I don’t even think it is a fair question. What about asking “when they reach enshittification” gives any options on the answer? They become shitty, like everything else.
It’s why I pay for my proton mail. I don’t want enshitification to occur.
I wish people stopped to throw that term around
It’s been giving me semantic satiation for a while now.