This is awesome stuff. I like the direction Proton is taking of slowly adding services. I hope they get to build a web browser sooner. Hopefully not based on Chromium but Firefox (Gecko).
Feels like releasing a new (privacy oriented) horse drawn buggy design just as automobiles are taking off
Captcha has already been extremely questionable for years, as there are open source tools to break em, and AIs emerging that can describe what’s in images
Take as a case study RuneScape building custom captcha games during login to try and dissuade bots. It didn’t work, the bots easily adapted to the new games
Google’s reCaptcha no longer recommends any user interaction at all. The new methodology is using AI to wholistically examine user behavior/identity with as much data as possible
Basically, I think Proton wasted their time, and captchas are a dumb system. They added computational challenges, but they start easy and are pitched when image fails. So I’m not so convinced that they will work better than cloudflare
even if you’re right, obsolete technologies usually hang around for way longer than they should. so this could still be useful in some capacity for the next 20 years, even if it is annoying and easily defeatable.
kind of like putting a really shitty lock on something. It won’t stop anyone determined, but it will stop 99% of people from opening it.
You are absolutely correct. CAPTCHAs are dead. Look at Cloudflare’s Managed Challenge (turnstile) for the type of system that replaces CAPTCHAs. What a waste of time and resources, Proton.
Proton is becoming better every day. Oftentimes it’s easier to push new services than to polish old ones. And they explained a lot of times that there are different teams working on different products.
But some basic things were promised many years ago and they did not yet deliver yet which is sad
Often times is easier to push new services than to polish old ones
And how is that becoming better? Their mobile and desktop softwares aren’t on par with anything free or paid, they work yes but they lack a of features that their own web app have; the calendar app, on iOS at least, is straight up useless; the mail app works but it lacks in basic features and it’s ugly; they barely support Linux; their own drive software lacks a lot of features that other drive services - privacy oriented and with E2E - have.
I love proton to death and I don’t regret my visionary membership at all but I’m still waiting on a proton drive client for linux, or a proper end to end email client, and im starting to fear that wait will be forever.
I do regret the timing of my Visionary, because from their posts it seemed like one would be able to use Drive both on Windows and Mac by now, but it’s still practically unusable on Windows and no where to be seen on Mac. I would have been better off waiting two years before upgrading to Visionary.
yes but begrudgingly, because for the proton visionary membership of 100 bucks a year I should be able to at least have something that works as seamlessly in the background as Tresorit or Spideroak or any of the E2E encrypted cloud competitors already have.
I’m currently using it for a software project so I have a need to sync files back and forth quite often and it’s very inconvenient for the cost at the moment.
Well crap. I could have sworn I saw it on that very post…I might be mistaken then. At the very least I did see that it was one of the more requested features on their feature tracker.
@DocBlaze@beta_tester been waiting for same. I’m not holding my breath. Paying full premium family service now but if we don’t get a proton drive app in the next year I’m going to move on to something else.
Highly unlikely I end up leaving proton visionary because the value you get here is way better than anything else, VPN email cloud storage password locker etc. I could try vetting different services for all of those but it’s super convenient to have all of them in one trusted provider.
I’m also using the bridge (with thunderbird) and I’m not mad at the FOSS solution but I believe they are supposed to be working on a dedicated client regardless, which I would much prefer for my proton emails. Id still use thunderbird for work email related stuff.
Wireguard on Linux for Proton VPN and a Bridge for Calendar (or adding Calendar to the current Bridge) would be great for making current services better.
I would like searchable email content on mobile, calendar bridge, and a Drive that could actually sync my files between all my devices instead of just individually backup up each device to the cloud? The implementation of Drive is so strange to me I can hardly fathom the idea behind it. I must have used every other cloud drive under the sun over the years. No one has worked like Proton. Instead they have worked like expected.
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This is awesome stuff. I like the direction Proton is taking of slowly adding services. I hope they get to build a web browser sooner. Hopefully not based on Chromium but Firefox (Gecko).
Proton is google as it should have been. Proton the white if you will.
Complete what services?
Feels like releasing a new (privacy oriented) horse drawn buggy design just as automobiles are taking off
Captcha has already been extremely questionable for years, as there are open source tools to break em, and AIs emerging that can describe what’s in images
Take as a case study RuneScape building custom captcha games during login to try and dissuade bots. It didn’t work, the bots easily adapted to the new games
Google’s reCaptcha no longer recommends any user interaction at all. The new methodology is using AI to wholistically examine user behavior/identity with as much data as possible
Basically, I think Proton wasted their time, and captchas are a dumb system. They added computational challenges, but they start easy and are pitched when image fails. So I’m not so convinced that they will work better than cloudflare
even if you’re right, obsolete technologies usually hang around for way longer than they should. so this could still be useful in some capacity for the next 20 years, even if it is annoying and easily defeatable. kind of like putting a really shitty lock on something. It won’t stop anyone determined, but it will stop 99% of people from opening it.
Problem is that this only matters for botters, and those are the guys who showed up with the bolt cutters
You are absolutely correct. CAPTCHAs are dead. Look at Cloudflare’s Managed Challenge (turnstile) for the type of system that replaces CAPTCHAs. What a waste of time and resources, Proton.
Proton is becoming better every day. Oftentimes it’s easier to push new services than to polish old ones. And they explained a lot of times that there are different teams working on different products.
But some basic things were promised many years ago and they did not yet deliver yet which is sad
And how is that becoming better? Their mobile and desktop softwares aren’t on par with anything free or paid, they work yes but they lack a of features that their own web app have; the calendar app, on iOS at least, is straight up useless; the mail app works but it lacks in basic features and it’s ugly; they barely support Linux; their own drive software lacks a lot of features that other drive services - privacy oriented and with E2E - have.
Love my Proton Business plan.
What basic things ?
Threaded conversations on mobile. Dedicated contacts management app that acts as your default contact app on mobile.
Fo christ sake, I can’t even edit a calendar event on mobile if another participant is added to it.
There are a million things to polish.
I love proton to death and I don’t regret my visionary membership at all but I’m still waiting on a proton drive client for linux, or a proper end to end email client, and im starting to fear that wait will be forever.
I do regret the timing of my Visionary, because from their posts it seemed like one would be able to use Drive both on Windows and Mac by now, but it’s still practically unusable on Windows and no where to be seen on Mac. I would have been better off waiting two years before upgrading to Visionary.
There’s no app app but you can still use Proton Drive on Linux via browser, right?
yes but begrudgingly, because for the proton visionary membership of 100 bucks a year I should be able to at least have something that works as seamlessly in the background as Tresorit or Spideroak or any of the E2E encrypted cloud competitors already have.
I’m currently using it for a software project so I have a need to sync files back and forth quite often and it’s very inconvenient for the cost at the moment.
proton drive for linux is on the roadmap.
Do you have a link? The only information I can find only calls out Windows / MacOS for desktop:
https://proton.me/blog/proton-drive-roadmap
Well crap. I could have sworn I saw it on that very post…I might be mistaken then. At the very least I did see that it was one of the more requested features on their feature tracker.
@black-twisted-boughs @MossBear it’s been on the road map for two years with no update.
@DocBlaze @beta_tester been waiting for same. I’m not holding my breath. Paying full premium family service now but if we don’t get a proton drive app in the next year I’m going to move on to something else.
Highly unlikely I end up leaving proton visionary because the value you get here is way better than anything else, VPN email cloud storage password locker etc. I could try vetting different services for all of those but it’s super convenient to have all of them in one trusted provider.
Isn’t the bridge end2end?
I don’t depend on the feature which is why I didn’t read (care) about it. I use the bridge with thundebird which works okish.
Maybe they’ll release the drive client with ProtonPhotos or ProtonChat
I hope you voted for the client on https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/932839-proton-drive/suggestions/45271456-linux-client-for-syncing
I’m also using the bridge (with thunderbird) and I’m not mad at the FOSS solution but I believe they are supposed to be working on a dedicated client regardless, which I would much prefer for my proton emails. Id still use thunderbird for work email related stuff.
Wireguard on Linux for Proton VPN and a Bridge for Calendar (or adding Calendar to the current Bridge) would be great for making current services better.
I would like searchable email content on mobile, calendar bridge, and a Drive that could actually sync my files between all my devices instead of just individually backup up each device to the cloud? The implementation of Drive is so strange to me I can hardly fathom the idea behind it. I must have used every other cloud drive under the sun over the years. No one has worked like Proton. Instead they have worked like expected.
I use wireguard with proton on gnome and on kde. You have to use configuration files but if you read into it it’s easy and works flawlessly.
Btw, that’s the only method there is if you want to open ports with protonvpn