The United Kingdom has long been trying to introduce age verification laws for pornography sites. A system using passports, credit cards, and other means was supposed to...
The government says selfies for AI verification are to “protect” children from such content but in reality we know it’s all to create a database with biometric hashes of everyone and create the long-awaited dystopia of 24/7 mass surveillance.
The government that completes the task first comes out ahead, and it seems that China is winning the dispute
My first thought when reading this was “what if the same person takes different pictures for a bunch of their friends, how would that be prevented”
And then the immediate, obvious answer was “well obviously the porn sites would store the face identity of the people who are logging in and browsing.”
There is a 0% chance that AI can accurately determine if someone is 18 or not, even with hypothetical futuristic AI technology. Some 20-year-olds look very young. Some 16-year-olds look shockingly old. And nobody changes very significantly between the day of their 18th birthday and the day they were 17 years, 364 days.
Hell, even 13-15 year olds are looking much older. I genuinely saw one in normal clothes, took a guess based on her being around maybe 20. Saw her a day later in school uniform. And only under 16’s wear them.
Really did make me realise I am shit at age guessing.
Exactly, this is something that even humans would have a hard time doing. Even though AI can do many things better than humans, humans are better at vision at the moment.
Eh, humans are better at certain kinds of vision—particularly on tasks that deal with non-white people where the AI was trained mostly on white people.
But things where the vision is looking at very fine detail, AI is very good at. Like determining if a patient has a disease based on a retinal scan or other medical imagery.
And I think it’s fair to say that, at least superficially, the problem in this thread seems like it might be more similar to those medical cases where an AI could do a really good job. The problem is that actually, no. There’s no known marker that could determine age with the level of accuracy that would be required for this task.
To quote the Simpsons: “0% is a percentage as well!” And that will be more than enough for politicians who know nothing about the topic and are blinded by the hot tech-buzzword of the minute (especially if it turns out they or some of their friends can make a shitload of money with it. I love capitalism and democracy.)
As an outside observer, UK politicians (even Conservatives) seem to tend to be a bit better at this sort of thing than American or Australian (“the laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia”) politicians. There’s a much stronger tendency for their back benchers to vote against the party line than we have, too, which is great for deliberative democracy.
But they’re good at identifying faces so simply connect it to a facial recognition database (I understand the UK are quite fond of such) and bam, accurate age determination. For the sake of the children.
To be fair, that at least is hypothetically possible. Working out someone’s age exactly purely based on their face is not even possible, so you can argue against it very easily from a purely technical standpoint.
Facial recognition with a database is quite good today, and will only get better. To argue against that you need to start getting into the privacy and ethical arguments.
‘cause if there’s one demographic that couldn’t possibly have the aptitude, resourcefulness or motivation needed to defeat a scheme like this it’s horny teenagers.
Not to mention it is all based on the questionable assumption that porn is somehow harmful for teens to watch but the exact same porn is not harmful for adults.
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What’s the porn site going to do when AI determines that a 15 year old is over 18?
“Judge, I swear the AI said she was 18!”
The UK should stick to things they know, like tea, comedy shows, fox hunting, and unelected MPs.
What about giving money to the royal family because of reasons?
I hate this timeline.
And so the last steps to privacy are removed.
Wonder if 80% of the images submitted will be photos of Zuckerburg
Maybe they can use all those sexy pictures of John Oliver that got posted in protest over at Reddit.
time to buy a fake mustache hehe
Soon they will be wanting dick pics.
I’d actually have less qualms with that then sending a porn site my face. It’s amazing that they think this will go down well.
The government says selfies for AI verification are to “protect” children from such content but in reality we know it’s all to create a database with biometric hashes of everyone and create the long-awaited dystopia of 24/7 mass surveillance. The government that completes the task first comes out ahead, and it seems that China is winning the dispute
My first thought when reading this was “what if the same person takes different pictures for a bunch of their friends, how would that be prevented”
And then the immediate, obvious answer was “well obviously the porn sites would store the face identity of the people who are logging in and browsing.”
So… Yeah.
And since this is the UK we’re talking about, you know they’re gonna use that data to track who’s trans and persecute them
There is a 0% chance that AI can accurately determine if someone is 18 or not, even with hypothetical futuristic AI technology. Some 20-year-olds look very young. Some 16-year-olds look shockingly old. And nobody changes very significantly between the day of their 18th birthday and the day they were 17 years, 364 days.
Hell, even 13-15 year olds are looking much older. I genuinely saw one in normal clothes, took a guess based on her being around maybe 20. Saw her a day later in school uniform. And only under 16’s wear them.
Really did make me realise I am shit at age guessing.
Exactly, this is something that even humans would have a hard time doing. Even though AI can do many things better than humans, humans are better at vision at the moment.
Eh, humans are better at certain kinds of vision—particularly on tasks that deal with non-white people where the AI was trained mostly on white people.
But things where the vision is looking at very fine detail, AI is very good at. Like determining if a patient has a disease based on a retinal scan or other medical imagery.
And I think it’s fair to say that, at least superficially, the problem in this thread seems like it might be more similar to those medical cases where an AI could do a really good job. The problem is that actually, no. There’s no known marker that could determine age with the level of accuracy that would be required for this task.
Agreed.
Anyways, still a very stupid idea. People can pick an old person’s selfie in the internet. Whoever proposed that is really dumb.
To quote the Simpsons: “0% is a percentage as well!” And that will be more than enough for politicians who know nothing about the topic and are blinded by the hot tech-buzzword of the minute (especially if it turns out they or some of their friends can make a shitload of money with it. I love capitalism and democracy.)
As an outside observer, UK politicians (even Conservatives) seem to tend to be a bit better at this sort of thing than American or Australian (“the laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia”) politicians. There’s a much stronger tendency for their back benchers to vote against the party line than we have, too, which is great for deliberative democracy.
But they’re good at identifying faces so simply connect it to a facial recognition database (I understand the UK are quite fond of such) and bam, accurate age determination. For the sake of the children.
Yeah but that doesn’t mean they work.
To be fair, that at least is hypothetically possible. Working out someone’s age exactly purely based on their face is not even possible, so you can argue against it very easily from a purely technical standpoint.
Facial recognition with a database is quite good today, and will only get better. To argue against that you need to start getting into the privacy and ethical arguments.
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‘cause if there’s one demographic that couldn’t possibly have the aptitude, resourcefulness or motivation needed to defeat a scheme like this it’s horny teenagers.
Sales of fake moustaches are gonna skyrocket
UK really wants to databank humanity so they can just pull file’s and dictate from their. Are you sure the UK right wing isn’t an undercover database?
Surely this won’t block lots of legitimate users, while simultaneously being trivially easy to bypass by submitting a picture of literally anyone.
But it’s so much more than that. It’s a privacy nightmare in general and a boon for anyone interested in blackmail.
Totally gonna work this time though.
Such a complicated series of tubes, ye olde internet.
Not to mention it is all based on the questionable assumption that porn is somehow harmful for teens to watch but the exact same porn is not harmful for adults.
Adults don’t watch porn though they look at pictures of Tractors
I’m just gonna submit pictures of him and Cameron. See how they like it.
Simply AI generate an adult face, it’ll be AI the whole way down
Or alternatively send a dick pic, if they are underage, now they’re in possession of child porn, congrats you played yourself.
Nah. then they will charge the child (and try them as a adult…) for distributing child porn images.
I swear I’ve read a similar headline a while ago of some teen being charged for that, because they sent nude selfies of themselves.
That is where I got the (fucked up) idea from.
IIRC: In USA. Teen sent nude pic to his girlfriend, both 16. He was charged with distributing child porn and put on a sex offender register for life.
I wonder how they’d handle some families photo albums.
a child bathing naked isnt neccessarily csam, really depends on the nature of the picture
USA is determined to out stupid every other country on earth isn’t it.