imo they offer unfinished or straight up redundant products. with the “community feedback” you get a certain amount of “points” which you can use to beg them to implement features (which other apps implemented years ago) only for them to basically never implement anything, even if hundreds of users describe it as “critical”.
it took me a week to convince my family of a familyplan, but then less than 1 hour of trying the android apps to decide against it.
A new proton product that isn’t useless? ahem PASS
I like this, and I REALLY hope Proton ignores the fact that a web browser came first in their community poll for their next service / product. That result shocked me, I couldn’t think of a worse (specifically, more redundant) application for them to release / develop.
The web browser thing seems like such a waste, especially when privacy-focused browsers already exist and can even integrate their suite of apps pretty easily.
I think its redundant and an incredibly bad idea to have my email, vpn, calendar, and cloud provider host my passwords. If I wanted a cloud based password manager, I’d use a standalone tool like Bitwarden. (imo, I realistically think protons implementation in probably just as secure for the average user.)
Either way, I think a password database is too important to store in the cloud, so I use KeePass.
You might think it is, but it’s clearly an integral part of a software suite. Whether it’s the Apple ecosystem, Google, Microsoft, or Proton, it’s a popular preference for the sake of convenience.
Unless Proton OS is a consideration, I dont think a browser is a natural progression. There are plenty of private browser options already being developed (and I think the proton extensions cover most conveniences). The only way I’d see a Proton browser as a positive thing is if they went all in on ladybird or some other completely independent browser engine.
My fault entirely. I guess my argument would be that those other corporations also shouldn’t be creating password managers, at least ‘within their ecosystem’.
I believe a password database should preferably be stored locally, and at least in a cloud that is completely separate from your essential account(s) (i.e Proton, Google, Microsoft accounts, etc.) I have no doubt Proton’s implementation is secure, but I think the principle of using it is not ideal.
Just waiting on what the Standard Notes collaboration pans out to.
Also wish they’d flesh out their side projects fully before adding more and more new toys to the suite.
id advise to just start using joplin or whatever suits you. i cannot prove it but would not be surprised if they keep buying those apps mainly to remove them from the market and thus grow their monopoly ecosystem. addy.io also got an offer to sell but refused.
Sure. I’m no fan of most proton products anyway anymore because their products don’t work with other software like calendar only works with their apps.
I use vpn, pass and mail but the rest isn’t too useful for me and I rather use nextcloud. Not because their products are trash but because I want something slightly different.
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Any idea if it’s self host able if it’s open source?
lol what a joke , im genuinly surpised anyone would even pay for 1 of their producs [besides the vpn maybe]
Why?
imo they offer unfinished or straight up redundant products. with the “community feedback” you get a certain amount of “points” which you can use to beg them to implement features (which other apps implemented years ago) only for them to basically never implement anything, even if hundreds of users describe it as “critical”.
it took me a week to convince my family of a familyplan, but then less than 1 hour of trying the android apps to decide against it.
A new proton product that isn’t useless? ahem PASS
I like this, and I REALLY hope Proton ignores the fact that a web browser came first in their community poll for their next service / product. That result shocked me, I couldn’t think of a worse (specifically, more redundant) application for them to release / develop.
What’s wrong with Pass? Genuine question.
The web browser thing seems like such a waste, especially when privacy-focused browsers already exist and can even integrate their suite of apps pretty easily.
I think its redundant and an incredibly bad idea to have my email, vpn, calendar, and cloud provider host my passwords. If I wanted a cloud based password manager, I’d use a standalone tool like Bitwarden. (imo, I realistically think protons implementation in probably just as secure for the average user.)
Either way, I think a password database is too important to store in the cloud, so I use KeePass.
You might think it is, but it’s clearly an integral part of a software suite. Whether it’s the Apple ecosystem, Google, Microsoft, or Proton, it’s a popular preference for the sake of convenience.
Unless Proton OS is a consideration, I dont think a browser is a natural progression. There are plenty of private browser options already being developed (and I think the proton extensions cover most conveniences). The only way I’d see a Proton browser as a positive thing is if they went all in on ladybird or some other completely independent browser engine.
I replied to a post of yours discussing Pass, not a browser.
My fault entirely. I guess my argument would be that those other corporations also shouldn’t be creating password managers, at least ‘within their ecosystem’.
I believe a password database should preferably be stored locally, and at least in a cloud that is completely separate from your essential account(s) (i.e Proton, Google, Microsoft accounts, etc.) I have no doubt Proton’s implementation is secure, but I think the principle of using it is not ideal.
In addition, a lot of Proton services are overpriced compared to third-party offerings.
I love Pass
Just waiting on what the Standard Notes collaboration pans out to. Also wish they’d flesh out their side projects fully before adding more and more new toys to the suite.
id advise to just start using joplin or whatever suits you. i cannot prove it but would not be surprised if they keep buying those apps mainly to remove them from the market and thus grow their
monopolyecosystem. addy.io also got an offer to sell but refused.They said in the announcement that this came out of the standard notes collaboration
"We built docs in Proton Drive as a joint project with the team from Standard Notes, who share our core values around privacy and security. "
Maybe they could even stop charging subscription fees for client-side features for the people who self-host…
As always, it’s different people working on different products.
As always, it’s the upper management who decides if there are more/less people working on the products, or any people at all
Yes, but the company can still be stretching itself too thin by having too many projects on at once.
I know it’s usually not as simple as throwing bodies at a project, but it feels like they could still do with more focus on their core products.
Sure. I’m no fan of most proton products anyway anymore because their products don’t work with other software like calendar only works with their apps. I use vpn, pass and mail but the rest isn’t too useful for me and I rather use nextcloud. Not because their products are trash but because I want something slightly different.