A friend used to routinely post about her children on Facebook and other SM, until someone claiming to be a grandmother tried to pick up one of her children from school. Fortunately, the school had safeguards in place and followed protocol. All those posts and pictures were deleted immediately.
your comment is very reductive imo. sharing private stuff with millions of people has nothing to do with tech literacy. besides that, my experiences arent stuff to make jokes about.
It has everything to do with tech literacy. Understanding how to use technology includes the consequences of that use.
Sure I’ll take the discussion more seriously: I don’t know what your experiences were and im sure you have valid reasons to be upset. But your comment makes no indication of these experiences, and I’m not expecting you to share them, you make no indication of wanting to.
Projecting those traumas into a cudgel with which to judge strangers harshly on a whim however is going to be behavior that gets pushback. I don’t think that child has unloving parents, nor deserves to be taken to a new family because the parents made a mistake they clearly learned from. I think they broadly reacted well to the situation in a system (surveillance capitalism) which does a poor job, possibly an actively malicious job, of educating people about the downsides of existing in and using features of that system. Maybe they, if digging deeper, have failed to learn or are in fact unloving. But based on the information available, I don’t think that’s a fair assessment.
I hope you are doing well and wish you luck handling your past and your goals related to it.
In that case we probably have to agree to disagree. Showing your kid off to the world is bound to have an effect on certain people and these people are there, no matter how much you want big tech and the government to take responsibility.
Do we have suveilance|turbo|latestage capitalism? Absolutely! Do we need to stop that, yes. Does the absence of it make any kind of fame painting a crosshair on your back stop? No. Thats a social phenomenon and irritatingly logical.
And while I do share my experiences with people, I‘m socially literate enough to know what to share and when. Because lemmy is very much the local pub and sharing trauma or triggers in a random environment gets you in all kinds of trouble.
So no, I dont think sharing your kids everything on the internet makes it okay to happen anything bad to you or your kid. The reason I commented was that I got the notion that its regarded as „the parent has done nothing wrong or could have no known better“ which I fully disagree with. Otherwise I have just understood wrongly and/or got triggered by it, which for a change is no big deal in opposition to oversharing the life of a non consenting being.
She was a decent enough, but doting mom. She was proud of her kids and thought the whole world should be blessed with their antics. It wasn’t attention seeking or income generating. She just had a blind spot, assuming that because she wouldn’t dream of doing that, no one else would. And it is sad, to me, that she was robbed if that innocence in a very visceral way; but she did learn a valuable lesson and never forgot it, either
I think we need to agree to disagree here. Being a parent in this world is (depending on your social status) a dangerous project that asks for a lot of responsibility.
A billion things can happen and it can kill, maim, traumatize or change your kid forever. I know because I have been one of those kids who grew up under „naive“ parents. Its hell. Life is hell afterwards.
So this is definitely triggering for me and I‘m not gonna give in to my instincts here since nobody deserves to go through what I went through. Suffice it to say that naive parents are not fit to be parents imo.
I don’t mean to minimise the problems you’ve encountered at all.
I’m a new parent and just trying to figure all of this out. There’s always competing guidance, information, and interests to be weighed. It’s not easy to make the right choices.
Yes, its one of the reasons I decided not to have children. the most people arent this naive or even plain abusive or negligent. You saying that its actually not just easy to do shows that you’re most likely not the problem. the people who are the problem immediately discard it or make fun of it.
IMO the problem is that we expect at most 2 people to share the responsibilities of parenting, when we should be sharing that responsibility across like 20 people or even more.
The idea of one or two people solely raising a child is insane, for most of human history children have been collectively raised by the tribe/village.
We’re not solitary predators god damnit, we’re one of the most social species on this planet! If even cats share the responsibility of raising children whenever they’re able to, it should be pretty clear that we’re not made to raise them on our own either.
I wonder what they consider oversharing. Where exactly is that line?
The first article will require parents to officially declare the use of their children’s image online to the Italian Communications Regulatory Authority (AGCOM). If a direct profit is gained from these activities, parents will have to transfer the money to a bank account in the child’s name, which will be accessible to the child after they turn 18 years old.
Interesting because I think most family channels do it for money now, though as part of a college fund may work. If you have multiple kids and parents in a video how will it be divied up?
sharenting—a contraction between share and *parenting, *that indicates the practice of oversharing content portraying children on social media platforms.
This is really important imo. Kids grow up predisposed to stupid oversharing of their private life. It cripples their ability to experiment and make mistakes if they have to fear being exposed to a giant audience.
I tell you what, I said a lot of things as a child that I would vehemently disagree with today. If I had to be branded with that staining my image for life, I don’t think I could deal with the shame.
I remember reading something about how gen Z, the first generation that had social media from early childhood, are more avoidant in making big life decisions than previous generations due to the sensitivity to publicly making a mistake.
Risk aversion is good for many things, but a lot of the best life experiences/accomplishments you can have require taking a leap at some point.
If you fell on your face before the camera phone. Your 2 friends laughed at you.
Nowadays the whole school laughes at the video of you for a week or more. I am not at all suprised that young people are risk avoidant.
I feel so very priveleged that I grew up in the slim timeframe while the internet was new and exciting and made modem warbling noises. And not now in the time when we are permanently connected, and absolutly everything on the internet is trying to exploit you, and have a team of psycoanalysts to make it most effective on you.
I’d rather see them put a lot of effort into educating folks instead. If they’re well educated about how everything works, this issue, and others in the future, would be addressed.
The parents are already “burned” and wont change from some info campaign. The abuse starts before school or even kindergarden age so there is no chance to educate the victims.
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As someone who’s always hated being publicized, yes pls.
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Thought sharenting meant split custody situations, was confused. Am a little high.
That’s a good idea. Think I’m gonna get high myself
How’d it go
Pretty great. I munched a brownie, made pancakes and watched a movie.
Same. And I wasn’t even high.
Sharenting.
Close relation with Sharting
The Shartening
I would go for shit parenting
A friend used to routinely post about her children on Facebook and other SM, until someone claiming to be a grandmother tried to pick up one of her children from school. Fortunately, the school had safeguards in place and followed protocol. All those posts and pictures were deleted immediately.
Its so sad that stuff like this needs to happen before people wake up. The kids dont deserve failures like this as parents.
Just wait until you hear about all the ways parents used to also fail their children.
Technological literacy is ideal, but lacking it is hardly a failure of character.
your comment is very reductive imo. sharing private stuff with millions of people has nothing to do with tech literacy. besides that, my experiences arent stuff to make jokes about.
It has everything to do with tech literacy. Understanding how to use technology includes the consequences of that use.
Sure I’ll take the discussion more seriously: I don’t know what your experiences were and im sure you have valid reasons to be upset. But your comment makes no indication of these experiences, and I’m not expecting you to share them, you make no indication of wanting to.
Projecting those traumas into a cudgel with which to judge strangers harshly on a whim however is going to be behavior that gets pushback. I don’t think that child has unloving parents, nor deserves to be taken to a new family because the parents made a mistake they clearly learned from. I think they broadly reacted well to the situation in a system (surveillance capitalism) which does a poor job, possibly an actively malicious job, of educating people about the downsides of existing in and using features of that system. Maybe they, if digging deeper, have failed to learn or are in fact unloving. But based on the information available, I don’t think that’s a fair assessment.
I hope you are doing well and wish you luck handling your past and your goals related to it.
Thanks for elaborating.
In that case we probably have to agree to disagree. Showing your kid off to the world is bound to have an effect on certain people and these people are there, no matter how much you want big tech and the government to take responsibility.
Do we have suveilance|turbo|latestage capitalism? Absolutely! Do we need to stop that, yes. Does the absence of it make any kind of fame painting a crosshair on your back stop? No. Thats a social phenomenon and irritatingly logical.
And while I do share my experiences with people, I‘m socially literate enough to know what to share and when. Because lemmy is very much the local pub and sharing trauma or triggers in a random environment gets you in all kinds of trouble.
So no, I dont think sharing your kids everything on the internet makes it okay to happen anything bad to you or your kid. The reason I commented was that I got the notion that its regarded as „the parent has done nothing wrong or could have no known better“ which I fully disagree with. Otherwise I have just understood wrongly and/or got triggered by it, which for a change is no big deal in opposition to oversharing the life of a non consenting being.
She was a decent enough, but doting mom. She was proud of her kids and thought the whole world should be blessed with their antics. It wasn’t attention seeking or income generating. She just had a blind spot, assuming that because she wouldn’t dream of doing that, no one else would. And it is sad, to me, that she was robbed if that innocence in a very visceral way; but she did learn a valuable lesson and never forgot it, either
I think we need to agree to disagree here. Being a parent in this world is (depending on your social status) a dangerous project that asks for a lot of responsibility.
A billion things can happen and it can kill, maim, traumatize or change your kid forever. I know because I have been one of those kids who grew up under „naive“ parents. Its hell. Life is hell afterwards.
So this is definitely triggering for me and I‘m not gonna give in to my instincts here since nobody deserves to go through what I went through. Suffice it to say that naive parents are not fit to be parents imo.
It’s a super difficult line to walk.
I don’t mean to minimise the problems you’ve encountered at all.
I’m a new parent and just trying to figure all of this out. There’s always competing guidance, information, and interests to be weighed. It’s not easy to make the right choices.
Yes, its one of the reasons I decided not to have children. the most people arent this naive or even plain abusive or negligent. You saying that its actually not just easy to do shows that you’re most likely not the problem. the people who are the problem immediately discard it or make fun of it.
I’m sorry for your experience, and do hope you find the healing to alleviate triggers. I wish you all the best on your journey.
Thank you very much!
Most people are not fit to be parents.
IMO the problem is that we expect at most 2 people to share the responsibilities of parenting, when we should be sharing that responsibility across like 20 people or even more.
The idea of one or two people solely raising a child is insane, for most of human history children have been collectively raised by the tribe/village.
We’re not solitary predators god damnit, we’re one of the most social species on this planet! If even cats share the responsibility of raising children whenever they’re able to, it should be pretty clear that we’re not made to raise them on our own either.
I wonder what they consider oversharing. Where exactly is that line?
Interesting because I think most family channels do it for money now, though as part of a college fund may work. If you have multiple kids and parents in a video how will it be divied up?
We don’t really need college founds in Italy, the fee for a middle class family is around 2k a year
That for 4 years and living expense ain’t nothing.
Sure, but nothing close to 60k a year
Yhe fuk is sharenting
I was confused as well, so I went out of my way to find this article which explains it.
From the article:
It’s a portmanteau really - unless this is another American English difference.
This is really important imo. Kids grow up predisposed to stupid oversharing of their private life. It cripples their ability to experiment and make mistakes if they have to fear being exposed to a giant audience.
Also some parents just don’t know any better.
It’s like a panopticon, but purely mental and inbuilt since their first memories.
This will lead to some heinous things down the line, probably started by those who by some luck of the draw weren’t exposed to the panopticon.
I tell you what, I said a lot of things as a child that I would vehemently disagree with today. If I had to be branded with that staining my image for life, I don’t think I could deal with the shame.
I remember reading something about how gen Z, the first generation that had social media from early childhood, are more avoidant in making big life decisions than previous generations due to the sensitivity to publicly making a mistake.
Risk aversion is good for many things, but a lot of the best life experiences/accomplishments you can have require taking a leap at some point.
If you fell on your face before the camera phone. Your 2 friends laughed at you. Nowadays the whole school laughes at the video of you for a week or more. I am not at all suprised that young people are risk avoidant. I feel so very priveleged that I grew up in the slim timeframe while the internet was new and exciting and made modem warbling noises. And not now in the time when we are permanently connected, and absolutly everything on the internet is trying to exploit you, and have a team of psycoanalysts to make it most effective on you.
For sure, im not even a parent yet but this stuff is so complicated to deal with
I’d rather see them put a lot of effort into educating folks instead. If they’re well educated about how everything works, this issue, and others in the future, would be addressed.
The parents are already “burned” and wont change from some info campaign. The abuse starts before school or even kindergarden age so there is no chance to educate the victims.
Of course, ‘sharenting’ is a word.
I just read an onion article and thought this was another one.
I definitely read “sharting” at first glance
believe it or not, right to jail, right away.
1 million years dungeon!
A right to jail bad parents as other citizens observe them would probably do a lot to change parenting.
There’d be hardly any parents left if you could jail bad parents on whim based on a singular observation.
Then many of those kids would be even worse off…
Thinking back to the very “concerned parents” of my childhood, they were usually the over protective lunatics
It would still have to be for something against the law, not just any random old complaint…
Ya’ll out here wholly forgetting how rights are actually stripped from people…
Unfortunately, “common sense” isn’t common.
Well, note how I didn’t say it would improve parenting.
Lol! Touché
Good!
It’s super creepy and disgusting how some parents use their children as props for social media “content” 🤮
Ruby whatever her name was comes to mind.