I started testing out alternatives immediately after discovering his post. I understand they’re saying this was a mistake and was meant to have been posted from his official account and not the company account, but that is still a bit off putting to me. As others have mentioned, this also made me aware of how many eggs I have in this basket, and after trying out alternatives for a few days I made the full switch away from ProtonMail, Calendar and VPN to Tuta + Mullvad.
Unfortunately, my Unlimited plan renewed in November and customer service has stated they will not refund me for the remaining time, as 30 days has passed. Oh well, I can at least cancel my auto-renewal :)
Simplelogin is owned by Proton. If you meant Addy.io that’s $1/mo or $3/mo. Personally I don’t think Addy.io is strictly necessary with Tuta though. Just add a custom domain and make up your own aliases (or some password managers can generate & save them for you)
I used simplelogin before they got bought by proton and with it now being included in my subscription, it’s even cheaper. I could move to addy.io but that would mean I would have to go through all my accounts and change it to the new addy.io addresses. Huge PitA. I could use my own domain but I don’t wanna blacklist my own domain or for it to be so new that it’s blocked from signing up accounts.
I left and glad I did. It was a needed wake-up call. All-in-one is inherently risky. I’d rather support smaller, more focused products. If one doesn’t fit my needs down the line, it’s way easier to switch.
Email: Tuta (meh, loading issues)
Calendar: Tuta (don’t like, can’t handle recurring events)
External calendars I’ve imported have a bunch of events on the wrong days. I reported the issue and here’s what they told me:
It seems like some events in your .ics file use advanced repetition rules which are not supported in the Tuta calendar yet. We are currently working on this to improve compatibility and hope to release them soon so the calendar should be imported correctly.
I know it’s a small development team, but it’s a little frustrating. A calendar service supporting only a subset of the ICS standard is silly in my opinion
Ah shoot. I guess that makes sense that it might not match 1:1 if it’s using some advanced recurrence rules. When I exported from Proton and imported to Tuta, I did it as a CSV and needed to modify the columns a bit to get it to import, but my recurring appointments seemed to have come over fine. They are fairly simple though.
My struggle is finding an alternative to nonesense email alias system proton provides. Tuta and everyone else seems ridiculously limited with aliases. Like, I’ll use my own custom domain idgaf, just gimme infinite aliases…
I hadn’t thought of that, might have to look into that. That would be great for new accounts. I basically only used proton pass to create aliases and stored it all in bitwarden anyway.
I don’t like his comments, but honestly… I haven’t had the energy or time.
When I have one, I lack the other.
Do I want to? Yes, in a sense. I have an enterprise grade server I could self-host a lot of services on, and it sounds like a fun project… but getting that all done? A task. Getting cooling, noise reduction (fucker is LOUD), and such installed? A bigger task that takes more money than I have available right now. All that jazz.
I know this is lazy of me, but no. I was going to, downloaded tuta and everything, but I just switched this year and finally have it where I want it. I have my stuff forwarded from my old emails, and most of my important stuff has the email. I also failed to vary my programs, so it’s also my VPN and password manager. Even just getting starting with the email was giving me a headache.
And, honestly, the vpn is better than mullvad (to me). When I was attempting to switch, I started with mullvad, but it was so much slower. And I had issues on sites I normally had no issues with. I’ll keep the resources and maybe start transferring little by little as time goes on.
No. Because changing email providers is a royal pain in the ass. Changed from Google to Ctemplar and from that to proton a year later after ctemplar went down.
I am not going to use smaller email providers because of that experience, and proton still seems to be the best of both worlds.
I absolutely hate that i am supporting a CEO like that with my money but I’m not in the mood to migrate anytime soon. Took me more than a whole weekend last time.
That’s good to know. My main gripe is that changing the email address for every service is so tiring. I’ve got >200 accounts in my password manager I’d need to change the mail address in, and from previous experience i know that the complicity of this can range from “just go to the settings” over “message the moderators” to “you just can’t”.
It’s shocking how complicated it can be.
I hear ya. That’s why everyone says to use your own domain. Then when you change providers it’s just an update to your domain instead of all your accounts
i have free proton accounts as am not loggin in to close them because lazy.
but i havent really used it anymore…maybe for trashmail stuff.
mullvad is cooler and 1$ rootboxes anywhere also. disroot,riseup and so many other mailproviders are cool too.
i dont get why proton is so relevant to some.
did you guys buy a lifetime package or why?
There are a few alternatives in mind for me. Mailbox, posteo, disroot. Disroot is the only one among these with a free email. But posteo and mailbox do have cheap tiers. Posteo doesn’t have support for custom domains last I checked.
That’s just email. I’ve already not been using proton for almost everything else. KeepassXC for passwords, Addy.io for aliases, Syncthing and offline storage across my 3 devices instead of any Drive. VPN I rarely use so free proton is enough for that. Mullvad exists on the off chance I need it for a while (it’s a constant price per month how many ever months you choose, and you can just “top up” with some amount and it will last you the appropriate number of days).
You can use Thunderbird with Mailbox and I think Posteo too? Does disroot even have an app? Even their official pages directed me to other clients like Thunderbird
I highly-valued the cohesion and simplicity of having a suite of tools provided by a single vendor and all on a single bill, despite how often this turns into a vendor-lock-in strategy
Proton was part of my attempt to de-Google, precisely because it offered email (with custom CNAMEs), calendar, and storage, and because they open-sourced their clients and tools
Despite the UX and feature set being quite bare, I was okay with justifying this with the added privacy (which was a nice-to-have but not a deal-breaker for me)
It seems like all the alternatives are either less open-source, have even fewer features, are even less cohesive (indeed, I’d have to select entirely separate solutions and give up all integrations) or seem to have even fewer resources for development and project sustainability
I’d moved from Bitwarden to Proton Pass only 6 months ago, so moving back wasn’t too much of a difficult choice (both services have great import/export and Bitwarden even offers self-hosting)
I’ve got Keepass for password manager and Mullvad for VPN, and both have worked out really well for me so far. What I haven’t been able to find is a good alternative to Proton Drive. For aliases I use Firefox Relay.
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I started testing out alternatives immediately after discovering his post. I understand they’re saying this was a mistake and was meant to have been posted from his official account and not the company account, but that is still a bit off putting to me. As others have mentioned, this also made me aware of how many eggs I have in this basket, and after trying out alternatives for a few days I made the full switch away from ProtonMail, Calendar and VPN to Tuta + Mullvad.
Unfortunately, my Unlimited plan renewed in November and customer service has stated they will not refund me for the remaining time, as 30 days has passed. Oh well, I can at least cancel my auto-renewal :)
No, I wouldn’t switch unless it compromise my privacy. People are overreacting and politics makes them sensitive.
I bought a year of unlimited in November but I have canceled and will be migrating when my year is up
What’s the deal with Lavabit these days? Are they good? I don’t keep up with things that well. Am old man.
I was hard considering it but if I do it then it would cost me way more.
Tuta ($3)+Simplelogin ($4)+Mullvad ($5) = $12
A proton unlimited plan costs $10. Also, when I was on a vpn plus plan, they upgraded me to unlimited so I’m only paying like $6.50 or something.
Simplelogin is owned by Proton. If you meant Addy.io that’s $1/mo or $3/mo. Personally I don’t think Addy.io is strictly necessary with Tuta though. Just add a custom domain and make up your own aliases (or some password managers can generate & save them for you)
I used simplelogin before they got bought by proton and with it now being included in my subscription, it’s even cheaper. I could move to addy.io but that would mean I would have to go through all my accounts and change it to the new addy.io addresses. Huge PitA. I could use my own domain but I don’t wanna blacklist my own domain or for it to be so new that it’s blocked from signing up accounts.
That’s how they get ya
Plus mulvad doesn’t do port forwarding. Or it didn’t last time I used it.
I left and glad I did. It was a needed wake-up call. All-in-one is inherently risky. I’d rather support smaller, more focused products. If one doesn’t fit my needs down the line, it’s way easier to switch.
Same stack as me except KeePass for PW manager. I’ve actually been enjoying Tuta though. What issues are you having with recurring?
External calendars I’ve imported have a bunch of events on the wrong days. I reported the issue and here’s what they told me:
I know it’s a small development team, but it’s a little frustrating. A calendar service supporting only a subset of the ICS standard is silly in my opinion
Ah shoot. I guess that makes sense that it might not match 1:1 if it’s using some advanced recurrence rules. When I exported from Proton and imported to Tuta, I did it as a CSV and needed to modify the columns a bit to get it to import, but my recurring appointments seemed to have come over fine. They are fairly simple though.
My struggle is finding an alternative to nonesense email alias system proton provides. Tuta and everyone else seems ridiculously limited with aliases. Like, I’ll use my own custom domain idgaf, just gimme infinite aliases…
Based on my understanding, Tuta is better for aliases compared to Proton. Their alias limit doesn’t apply to custom domains, only the domains they own (tuta.com, tutamail.com, tuta.io, tutanota.com, tutanota.de, keemail.me)
If you have proton pass you can generate random or semi random aliases. I don’t believe there’s a limit to this. Good to know on the tuta side though.
Oh I see. That makes sense. I think Bitwarden can be hooked up to alias providers but I’ve never tried that myself
I hadn’t thought of that, might have to look into that. That would be great for new accounts. I basically only used proton pass to create aliases and stored it all in bitwarden anyway.
No, I’ve not switched. While I disagree with his comments, that does not make me switch.
I am fine with using services provided by companies whose employees or leaders I don’t 100% agree with all the time.
I don’t like his comments, but honestly… I haven’t had the energy or time.
When I have one, I lack the other.
Do I want to? Yes, in a sense. I have an enterprise grade server I could self-host a lot of services on, and it sounds like a fun project… but getting that all done? A task. Getting cooling, noise reduction (fucker is LOUD), and such installed? A bigger task that takes more money than I have available right now. All that jazz.
I know this is lazy of me, but no. I was going to, downloaded tuta and everything, but I just switched this year and finally have it where I want it. I have my stuff forwarded from my old emails, and most of my important stuff has the email. I also failed to vary my programs, so it’s also my VPN and password manager. Even just getting starting with the email was giving me a headache.
And, honestly, the vpn is better than mullvad (to me). When I was attempting to switch, I started with mullvad, but it was so much slower. And I had issues on sites I normally had no issues with. I’ll keep the resources and maybe start transferring little by little as time goes on.
No. Because changing email providers is a royal pain in the ass. Changed from Google to Ctemplar and from that to proton a year later after ctemplar went down.
I am not going to use smaller email providers because of that experience, and proton still seems to be the best of both worlds.
I absolutely hate that i am supporting a CEO like that with my money but I’m not in the mood to migrate anytime soon. Took me more than a whole weekend last time.
It’s worth noting Proton’s email export tool (marketed as backup & restore) is pretty decent. This Python script can sort them by folders & labels too
That’s good to know. My main gripe is that changing the email address for every service is so tiring. I’ve got >200 accounts in my password manager I’d need to change the mail address in, and from previous experience i know that the complicity of this can range from “just go to the settings” over “message the moderators” to “you just can’t”.
It’s shocking how complicated it can be.
I hear ya. That’s why everyone says to use your own domain. Then when you change providers it’s just an update to your domain instead of all your accounts
i have free proton accounts as am not loggin in to close them because lazy. but i havent really used it anymore…maybe for trashmail stuff. mullvad is cooler and 1$ rootboxes anywhere also. disroot,riseup and so many other mailproviders are cool too. i dont get why proton is so relevant to some. did you guys buy a lifetime package or why?
No. I’m tired of making my life inconvenient the moment someone says something stupid.
There are a few alternatives in mind for me. Mailbox, posteo, disroot. Disroot is the only one among these with a free email. But posteo and mailbox do have cheap tiers. Posteo doesn’t have support for custom domains last I checked.
That’s just email. I’ve already not been using proton for almost everything else. KeepassXC for passwords, Addy.io for aliases, Syncthing and offline storage across my 3 devices instead of any Drive. VPN I rarely use so free proton is enough for that. Mullvad exists on the off chance I need it for a while (it’s a constant price per month how many ever months you choose, and you can just “top up” with some amount and it will last you the appropriate number of days).
Mailbox and Posteo doesn’t have their app in F-Droid 🤔
I know Tuta has, and just looked up Disroot, they also have…
You can use Thunderbird with Mailbox and I think Posteo too? Does disroot even have an app? Even their official pages directed me to other clients like Thunderbird
I highly-valued the cohesion and simplicity of having a suite of tools provided by a single vendor and all on a single bill, despite how often this turns into a vendor-lock-in strategy
Proton was part of my attempt to de-Google, precisely because it offered email (with custom CNAMEs), calendar, and storage, and because they open-sourced their clients and tools
Despite the UX and feature set being quite bare, I was okay with justifying this with the added privacy (which was a nice-to-have but not a deal-breaker for me)
It seems like all the alternatives are either less open-source, have even fewer features, are even less cohesive (indeed, I’d have to select entirely separate solutions and give up all integrations) or seem to have even fewer resources for development and project sustainability
I’d moved from Bitwarden to Proton Pass only 6 months ago, so moving back wasn’t too much of a difficult choice (both services have great import/export and Bitwarden even offers self-hosting)
I’d just go Keepass. Password managers don’t need cloud to work. And Bitwarden could go rogue too.
I’ve got Keepass for password manager and Mullvad for VPN, and both have worked out really well for me so far. What I haven’t been able to find is a good alternative to Proton Drive. For aliases I use Firefox Relay.
Tresorit is a bit pricey but very privacy focused and based in Switzerland.
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