I applaud your intention. But there really is such a thing as peer pressure. The reason why only Gmail/GSuite and Hotmail/365mail is left is because these two ensured that mail wasn’t deliverable from independent email servers. And the fact that a vast majority was on them helped them convert a federated messaging medium into more-or-less centralized service. Even today, there are a lot of people around who knows the harm in using Chrome, but then goes ahead and say - “I would have switched to Firefox, if only some-random-useless-website worked on it”. It’s always possible for people to harass the company/institution to support Firefox. But they would rather make up excuses to stay on Chrome than do something about it. The same happens to every Google service as well - especially Gmail.
My point is that it is not correct that only gmail works.
Self hosting is a different consideration. It is a lot of work and fairly costly to get correctly setup and a real pain to maintain. There is very little reason to do it too as there are many providers that can host your domain mail. Proton Mail and Fastmail are two such examples.
My point is that it is not correct that only gmail works.
Proton Mail and Fastmail are two such examples
I had Proton and Fastmail in mind when I wrote that reply - along with some others like Migadu. But the point remains - you need to be a large scale mail provider like any of them to bargain your way into deliverability. Self hosting is completely left out - a far cry from the actual federated design of emails.
It is a lot of work and fairly costly to get correctly setup and a real pain to maintain.
That is not necessarily true these days. There are a lot of turnkey bundles like mailinabox, mailu and mailcow that are easy to deploy, maintain and update. There are even projects that aim to combine all the necessary services into a single binary server - like maddy and stalwart. They provide everything necessary for running a mail server and ensuring deliverability. But they still don’t get delivered on those large service providers.
There is very little reason to do it too
Paid services that don’t sell you out is much better than big free ones that squeeze you for data. But I don’t consider having our data on someone else’s server as ideal. The ideal thing is that every home should have a cheap server with net/web applications that can be deployed with the ease of installing a desktop application. But we are going the wrong way. And those big monolithic abusive service providers are the biggest hurdle to achieving that.
Not saying I like it. I actually have email running in my VPS. Pain to setup but did not have delivery problems but I only use it in limited ways.
Reason I did not switch to this for general use is mail is too core and it needs to be something my wife can maintain if needed. Plus I would have had to have several VPSes in multiple data centers to guarantee 100% uptime and segment security. Plus auditing, patching, and upgrade work load.
For now we use the mail accounts provided by my small ISP but at some point we will probably move to hosted domain mail. Maybe Fastmail or something similar as the provider.
Used as training data, or used as prompts to give further context? The former would be very troubling since it’d then be available to anyone able to engineer the right prompt. But I suspect they’re looking at doing the latter.
Tbh privacy aside the only way to get any LLM to sound like you is to train it on your data. If that would be possible locally I’d be all for it. Maybe not necessarily got SMS but certainly for work mail.
Read the article! The change isn’t live yet…and you can likely disable it once it drops.
“While an exact date is still unknown,” Bard says, “all signs point towards Bard’s arrival in Google Messages sometime in 2024. It could be a matter of weeks or months, but it’s definitely coming.” Meanwhile, what we’ve seen thus far remains buried deep inside a beta release and subject to change before release.
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If you’re using their Messages app for some reason. A big if which makes the headline almost complete bait.
Not if I’m not using any Google products. There are now excellent (even superior) alternatives to everything Google offers save YouTube.
I applaud your intention. But there really is such a thing as peer pressure. The reason why only Gmail/GSuite and Hotmail/365mail is left is because these two ensured that mail wasn’t deliverable from independent email servers. And the fact that a vast majority was on them helped them convert a federated messaging medium into more-or-less centralized service. Even today, there are a lot of people around who knows the harm in using Chrome, but then goes ahead and say - “I would have switched to Firefox, if only some-random-useless-website worked on it”. It’s always possible for people to harass the company/institution to support Firefox. But they would rather make up excuses to stay on Chrome than do something about it. The same happens to every Google service as well - especially Gmail.
Over blown. I have never used Goggle or Microsoft mail and my email works just fine.
‘It works for me’ isn’t an answer and that doesn’t make it overblown. This is a well known problem for years.
My point is that it is not correct that only gmail works.
Self hosting is a different consideration. It is a lot of work and fairly costly to get correctly setup and a real pain to maintain. There is very little reason to do it too as there are many providers that can host your domain mail. Proton Mail and Fastmail are two such examples.
I had Proton and Fastmail in mind when I wrote that reply - along with some others like Migadu. But the point remains - you need to be a large scale mail provider like any of them to bargain your way into deliverability. Self hosting is completely left out - a far cry from the actual federated design of emails.
That is not necessarily true these days. There are a lot of turnkey bundles like mailinabox, mailu and mailcow that are easy to deploy, maintain and update. There are even projects that aim to combine all the necessary services into a single binary server - like maddy and stalwart. They provide everything necessary for running a mail server and ensuring deliverability. But they still don’t get delivered on those large service providers.
Paid services that don’t sell you out is much better than big free ones that squeeze you for data. But I don’t consider having our data on someone else’s server as ideal. The ideal thing is that every home should have a cheap server with net/web applications that can be deployed with the ease of installing a desktop application. But we are going the wrong way. And those big monolithic abusive service providers are the biggest hurdle to achieving that.
Not saying I like it. I actually have email running in my VPS. Pain to setup but did not have delivery problems but I only use it in limited ways.
Reason I did not switch to this for general use is mail is too core and it needs to be something my wife can maintain if needed. Plus I would have had to have several VPSes in multiple data centers to guarantee 100% uptime and segment security. Plus auditing, patching, and upgrade work load.
For now we use the mail accounts provided by my small ISP but at some point we will probably move to hosted domain mail. Maybe Fastmail or something similar as the provider.
Yeah dealt with some of the changes at work for people that were self hosted and such
Used as training data, or used as prompts to give further context? The former would be very troubling since it’d then be available to anyone able to engineer the right prompt. But I suspect they’re looking at doing the latter.
Tbh privacy aside the only way to get any LLM to sound like you is to train it on your data. If that would be possible locally I’d be all for it. Maybe not necessarily got SMS but certainly for work mail.
Hold it there Privacy Enthusiasts!
Read this first, it explains the learning technology: https://federated.withgoogle.com/
Read the article! The change isn’t live yet…and you can likely disable it once it drops.
Good, gives me time to switch to a FOSS sms app…
Have one you can recommend for someone who’s tech savvy but just wants it to work out of the box?
I just use SMS Messenger from F-Droid.
Fossify SMS Messages?
I hear there’s a fork of Signal that doesn’t remove SMS, but idk what it’s called.
Great I really wanted that.
I wonder how this will affect the right to be forgotten. It’s not like theyre going to un-train any models or remove any derivative content
Can’t say I didn’t expect that.
Oh, but Bard’ll give you plenty of chances to opt out.
Whether Sundar Pichai honors that is another matter entirely.
How do you opt out? Stop texting and delete all messages?
Article didn’t actually say how the opt out process will work, just gave a buncha supposed Bard quotes on the subject.
I’m sure it’ll be fiiiiiine. /s
You send in one of those 30-days requests to have all your data purged from Google, probably.
if u cannot check the source code of Google AI you cannot trust his claims
I mean, if you’re motivated enough you can decompile the binaries. They don’t lie at the end of the day.
APKs are pretty easy to decompile as well with existing reverse engineering tooling, fwiw.