Like the title states looking for E2EE apps (Android and iOS) without going into much details or needs to be robust enough and easy to use for anyone and stable for operations that are susceptible to constant electronic warfare. I did some research and thought about replacing Signal with Molly and wondering if it will still work if Signal leaves the EU, but am also worried about its updates to patch vulnerabilities in a timely manner. I appreciate the help I am a “Jack of all trades and master of none” when it comes to these types of programs, but am also the go to currently in my unit since I am somewhat knowledgeable about exploits and attacks that can compromise systems would be great if there was an desktop as well (like Signal) and would also be nice if it was FOSS and auditable ( I know that’s kind of redundant ) I know it’s a tall order to ask but figured I would try. I really appreciate the help so much and hope I did things by the rules here and don’t get flamed if this has already been covered ( I searched but my skills with searching the fediverse is low. ( Going to ask in the other privacy community as well but am not spamming)
I think Signal won’t leave unless they have to (have to meaning if the only alternative to leaving is to undermine user privacy/security which they will not do)
And if Signal has no other alternative than I can’t see how every other e2ee messenger wouldn’t also face the same difficult choice.
Edit: also what does exiting the EU actually mean? Like what would prevent you from just continuing to use the app?
Another problem with phone number requirement. EU phone number? Get out of here. Otherwise you’re right. With a vpn, what’s to stop you from continuing to use it.
Why would Signal stop accepting European phone numbers? It’s not like they want to leave the EU, they can just continue offering their services to EU users, but they can’t have servers or offices or any legal entities in the EU if they get banned. That’s not such a problem, you can access Signal over the internet from anywhere in the world, and if EU states start blocking Signal, you can still use Signal TLS proxies, good old VPNs or Tor.
Edit: Signal is also banned in Iran, but they of course accept Iranian phone numbers, as they don’t impose the ban, the Iranian government does. You don’t really have to worry about this, I’m sure Signal will do everything in their power to continue to operate, even in jurisdictions in which it’s banned.
I really can’t believe that chat control will come. But also I was wrong before and strange things happen…
So there are applications that can’t really be considert providers of chat services.
Like: Deltachat, Element, Conversations or Silence.
Which use the protocol’s Email, Matrix, XMPP, SMS for which there are numerous providers.
Therefore allowing you to simply send E2E messages without the provider having any influence.
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I think Signal won’t leave unless they have to (have to meaning if the only alternative to leaving is to undermine user privacy/security which they will not do)
And if Signal has no other alternative than I can’t see how every other e2ee messenger wouldn’t also face the same difficult choice.
Edit: also what does exiting the EU actually mean? Like what would prevent you from just continuing to use the app?
Another problem with phone number requirement. EU phone number? Get out of here. Otherwise you’re right. With a vpn, what’s to stop you from continuing to use it.
Why would Signal stop accepting European phone numbers? It’s not like they want to leave the EU, they can just continue offering their services to EU users, but they can’t have servers or offices or any legal entities in the EU if they get banned. That’s not such a problem, you can access Signal over the internet from anywhere in the world, and if EU states start blocking Signal, you can still use Signal TLS proxies, good old VPNs or Tor. Edit: Signal is also banned in Iran, but they of course accept Iranian phone numbers, as they don’t impose the ban, the Iranian government does. You don’t really have to worry about this, I’m sure Signal will do everything in their power to continue to operate, even in jurisdictions in which it’s banned.
Thank you for your reply. It’s in regards to https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-2-0-eu-governments-set-to-approve-the-end-of-private-messaging-and-secure-encryption/, but maybe I’m being an alarmist?
I really can’t believe that chat control will come. But also I was wrong before and strange things happen… So there are applications that can’t really be considert providers of chat services. Like: Deltachat, Element, Conversations or Silence. Which use the protocol’s Email, Matrix, XMPP, SMS for which there are numerous providers. Therefore allowing you to simply send E2E messages without the provider having any influence.