The National Security Agency could be given expansive new surveillance powers under a proposed change to the FISA 702 bill — slated for a vote on April 19.
He had my support until he signed himself over to Russia. It may have been his only choice, but what he says doesn’t matter one way or the other in my book.
The US government doesn’t openly torture, murder, kill to expand their borders, put people in jail for blank signs, or many other terrible things the Kremlin does. The US government is easily, hands down better than the Russian government.
Guantanamo Bay seemed like pretty open torture to me.
American imperialism, while different than European imperialism, is imperialism nonetheless. And damn, Native Americans would like a word with you about this point I should think…
It is no longer safe to organize a protest in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Texas. Blank signs or otherwise. This is just as of* a couple of days ago, even, dang.
Guantanamo certainly wasn’t open torture, it was hidden and very controversial. My comment was about the current US government vs the current Kremlin, seems like you’re intentionally misconstruing it to make a point.
No longer safe is a biased way of interpreting the law which allows organizers to be held financially responsible for problems caused by their protest.
Uh, yeah it does. Not to mention the US has killed more people through colonisation, direct and proxy wars, etc. than any other nation in human history.
I suppose I don’t understand the alternative, doesn’t the United States ask immigrants to do a similar type of pledge? I kinda expect most countries do. Seems logical. I could be wrong about that, maybe immigrants don’t have to pledge loyalty to the US for citizenship? I’ll have to look it up.
I guess to me it seems disingenuous to judge someone for making arrangements to live in a country he cannot leave. He is forced to stay there by the United States, it wasn’t a choice.
Anyway I could definitely be missing something here but I can’t think of what he could have done differently, what would you have done in his situation?
As an aside, I have a lot of respect for Snowden because he showed us how little respect the United States has for obeying its own laws. The laws which are based on our supposed virtues. The US violated every principle it proclaimed that American citizens had. We never had them. Turns out we’re just as crooked as the countries we judge. I value that knowledge, Snowden is a patriot who risked everything so the American people would know the truth about our government and he did it with utmost care. He’ll go down in history as such. He’s the reason we can even discuss this topic. I thank him for that gift, despite the contents being disgusting.
At this point it’s less about trusting Snowden and more about not trusting Russia. I wouldn’t put it past Russia to find a way to speak on his behalf and say what they want with his voice, power, and reach. That’s tantalizing. AI, Photoshop, social media posts, whatever. He’s under their control willingly or otherwise.
As far as Snowden’s words, I look at the content of what he says, and I have yet to notice any straying from the original message. The message being, “The United States does not follow its own laws or ideals, and not only intends to violate these rights with regards to terrorists but with regard to everyone.” If I were to notice straying from the message, or propaganda (coerced or otherwise) I would of course react accordingly. Every interview I have seen, and I haven’t seen them all, his views have been measured, thoughtful, terrifying, and enlightening. Not to mention, backed by substantial evidence.
As far as LLMs (AI doesn’t exist), it’s far too nascient to be undetected. Like ad-blockers and advertisers, there is a permanent war between LLM output and LLM detectors. In this battle, the detectors have, by far, the upper hand. In five years, who knows. But I work Iin tech and dabble in my own models. The LLM tech of today is extremely primitive.
It sucks but what else was he supposed to do? He had no passport and if he got extradited to the USA then he’d spend years of a life sentence in solitary confinement at a CMU prison or worse. Take one look at how the US government treats those they consider terrorists and you’ll understand his decision.
Imo its understandable since he’s going to have to live in russia for the rest of his life if he doesn’t want to live in a US prison for the rest of his life.
Yeah. He’s 100% compromised. People don’t have to hate him or what he did, but once you put yourself totally within a power like Putin, you’re effectively dead.
I think For All Mankind also did a great job showing that dilemma in later seasons.
True. He’s probably telling the truth about a lot of things, but notice what he doesn’t say. He’s a smart guy and is not saying certain things to stay on Putin’s good side.
He’s been in Russia 10 years now. He would probably be out of jail if he had surrendered. Chelsea Manning is already out:
She was sentenced to 35 years at the maximum-security U.S. Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth. On January 17, 2017, Obama commuted Manning’s sentence to nearly seven years of confinement dating from her arrest in May 2010.
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He had my support until he signed himself over to Russia. It may have been his only choice, but what he says doesn’t matter one way or the other in my book.
You shouldn’t misrepresent his dire situation. There were sadly no good choices for the man.
He is a hero for his sacrifice, regardless of where he lives.
Because the US is so much better?
The US government doesn’t openly torture, murder, kill to expand their borders, put people in jail for blank signs, or many other terrible things the Kremlin does. The US government is easily, hands down better than the Russian government.
Guantanamo Bay seemed like pretty open torture to me.
American imperialism, while different than European imperialism, is imperialism nonetheless. And damn, Native Americans would like a word with you about this point I should think…
It is no longer safe to organize a protest in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Texas. Blank signs or otherwise. This is just as of* a couple of days ago, even, dang.
Completely off topic but your username is rad. Now I’ll be humming that song all day.
Guantanamo certainly wasn’t open torture, it was hidden and very controversial. My comment was about the current US government vs the current Kremlin, seems like you’re intentionally misconstruing it to make a point.
No longer safe is a biased way of interpreting the law which allows organizers to be held financially responsible for problems caused by their protest.
Uh, yeah it does. Not to mention the US has killed more people through colonisation, direct and proxy wars, etc. than any other nation in human history.
gonna need some citations there, bud, otherwise i’ll safely assume you know fuck all about world history
It does what?
How many people do you think the US has killed?
For now…
I still support him. I don’t blame him for being forced into russia. He gave up a lot to let us know what was going on.
How do you mean? What did he do besides have his passport revoked in Russia?
I’m out of the loop.
Has he made some pro-Putin statements since?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/02/edward-snowden-gets-russian-passport-after-swearing-oath-of-allegiance
I suppose I don’t understand the alternative, doesn’t the United States ask immigrants to do a similar type of pledge? I kinda expect most countries do. Seems logical. I could be wrong about that, maybe immigrants don’t have to pledge loyalty to the US for citizenship? I’ll have to look it up.
I guess to me it seems disingenuous to judge someone for making arrangements to live in a country he cannot leave. He is forced to stay there by the United States, it wasn’t a choice.
Anyway I could definitely be missing something here but I can’t think of what he could have done differently, what would you have done in his situation?
As an aside, I have a lot of respect for Snowden because he showed us how little respect the United States has for obeying its own laws. The laws which are based on our supposed virtues. The US violated every principle it proclaimed that American citizens had. We never had them. Turns out we’re just as crooked as the countries we judge. I value that knowledge, Snowden is a patriot who risked everything so the American people would know the truth about our government and he did it with utmost care. He’ll go down in history as such. He’s the reason we can even discuss this topic. I thank him for that gift, despite the contents being disgusting.
At this point it’s less about trusting Snowden and more about not trusting Russia. I wouldn’t put it past Russia to find a way to speak on his behalf and say what they want with his voice, power, and reach. That’s tantalizing. AI, Photoshop, social media posts, whatever. He’s under their control willingly or otherwise.
You mention topics worth discussion and thought.
As far as Snowden’s words, I look at the content of what he says, and I have yet to notice any straying from the original message. The message being, “The United States does not follow its own laws or ideals, and not only intends to violate these rights with regards to terrorists but with regard to everyone.” If I were to notice straying from the message, or propaganda (coerced or otherwise) I would of course react accordingly. Every interview I have seen, and I haven’t seen them all, his views have been measured, thoughtful, terrifying, and enlightening. Not to mention, backed by substantial evidence.
As far as LLMs (AI doesn’t exist), it’s far too nascient to be undetected. Like ad-blockers and advertisers, there is a permanent war between LLM output and LLM detectors. In this battle, the detectors have, by far, the upper hand. In five years, who knows. But I work Iin tech and dabble in my own models. The LLM tech of today is extremely primitive.
It sucks but what else was he supposed to do? He had no passport and if he got extradited to the USA then he’d spend years of a life sentence in solitary confinement at a CMU prison or worse. Take one look at how the US government treats those they consider terrorists and you’ll understand his decision.
Obligatory fuck Putin and his war on Ukraine.
As another commenter said, Chelsea Manning is already out. Snowden wouldn’t be considered a terrorist.
Imo its understandable since he’s going to have to live in russia for the rest of his life if he doesn’t want to live in a US prison for the rest of his life.
Yeah. He’s 100% compromised. People don’t have to hate him or what he did, but once you put yourself totally within a power like Putin, you’re effectively dead.
I think For All Mankind also did a great job showing that dilemma in later seasons.
True. He’s probably telling the truth about a lot of things, but notice what he doesn’t say. He’s a smart guy and is not saying certain things to stay on Putin’s good side.
He’s been in Russia 10 years now. He would probably be out of jail if he had surrendered. Chelsea Manning is already out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning
Always cloak a lie in truth.