I mean, I get the idea but Proton isn’t science so one can turn the argument around that the oh so poor scientists started Proton to finally make some money. Obviously not true, but I’d leave that sentiment out of future statements.
I do hope though that Proton indeed never sells out, we’ll see if it holds true.
You’re being very black and white here. Engineering work both uses the scientific method (e.g. test a hypothesis to prove it true) and the literal science (e.g. proven hypotheses) to achieve the structures we have today.
In the same way, the formal study of computer science is through the scientific method, but that often comes as a byproduct of trying something new through software development, and proving, through hypotheses and testing, that the outcome is repeatable. Many computer science white papers have come out of hacky software engineering projects that were then formalized.
You’re saying pure cryptography is science though. Is it only science if you are a tenured professor or research professional, or it gets published in a journal? (Which as I outlined, software dev does all the time). I’m confused
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I mean, I get the idea but Proton isn’t science so one can turn the argument around that the oh so poor scientists started Proton to finally make some money. Obviously not true, but I’d leave that sentiment out of future statements. I do hope though that Proton indeed never sells out, we’ll see if it holds true.
Cryptography and software development is science.
Cryptography maybe, but software development much like actual engineering isn’t “science.”
@Telodzrum @EmperorHenry
Uhm … ever heard of Computer Science at universities and such?
Just one quick example:
https://www.eecs.mit.edu/research/computer-science/
Oh, they call it science in the course guide, ya got me! Very clever!
@Telodzrum
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What the hell are you talking about? Engineering is absolutely science. You need to know a lot about physics and chemistry to be an engineer.
The use of another discipline’s tools doesn’t make you a member of that discipline. Sorry.
Other fields of science wouldn’t be possible without engineers making the tools.
When electrical engineers make circuit boards, they have to know a lot of chemistry and many different forms of math to do that.
So we agree, engineers (much like most any job) are important; however, they aren’t scientists.
You’re being very black and white here. Engineering work both uses the scientific method (e.g. test a hypothesis to prove it true) and the literal science (e.g. proven hypotheses) to achieve the structures we have today.
In the same way, the formal study of computer science is through the scientific method, but that often comes as a byproduct of trying something new through software development, and proving, through hypotheses and testing, that the outcome is repeatable. Many computer science white papers have come out of hacky software engineering projects that were then formalized.
You’re saying pure cryptography is science though. Is it only science if you are a tenured professor or research professional, or it gets published in a journal? (Which as I outlined, software dev does all the time). I’m confused
Holy motivated reasoning Batman!
Yeah, I read that as “we haven’t been offered enough money to retire to a private island on huge yachts yet, but we’re not closing any doors”