I just text my parents if I feel like they need to know where I’m at, worked for me from middle school all the way to me living independently today.
Like a phone’s location services can be turned on remotely if an emergency calls for it, but as long as I’m good with my family then the vast majority of the likelihood I’ll ever need to know where my kid is while they can’t communicate with me is null since like 80% of kidnappings are over custody battles or other related family disputes.
To clarify, the location service is turned on remotely during an emergency call or after texting an emergency number to let first responders know where an emergency is, but it is turned off afterwards by the phone if it was disabled beforehand. And it’s only turned on during the call that the user initiates, emergency services cannot remotely turn it on, because it is the phone that actually manages the permissions and computes the location and not the dispatcher. Neither Android nor iOS allows emergency services to remotely turn on location services without you calling them first, since that would be a violation of your privacy and would absolutely be abused by law enforcement.
So everyone should be advised that you cannot check the location of a loved one unless you arrange it before you end up needing it.
Well yeah I meant being able to turn it on via family controls.
Just because I wouldn’t be using it personally save for an emergency doesn’t mean I wouldn’t rather my kid have it in the event of an emergency.
Of course they aren’t getting a phone period until they’re old enough that I feel comfortable they’re olden and wisen enough to let out of my sight for stuff other than school clubs and playdates.
Used to share my location with my dad until he kept sending me a McDonald’s order everytime I was at McDonald’s. Then turned it off, lol. My mum still has it.
Im fine with my parents knowing where i am the only problem is that i would also share my location with big daddy google and im not fine with that. And my parents are divorced so i wouldnt share it with my dad… Also it would drain my battery
I’m 18 and fine with my parents knowing where I am so we can coordinate mealtimes and stuff. I really don’t care for having a third party spy on me 24/7 though. We just Signal each other “I’m at xyz location, be back soon” and that’s plenty enough.
That sounds far more (and acceptably so in my view) stochastic tho, like, do they have on-demand “lets see where lol is right now even though I have zero need to know currently” or is it just like u verbally check-in when they Signal u?
We just verbally check in and I’m totally fine with saying where I am. I believe the important thing here is trust. If, hypothetically, we were able to set up something privacy-respecting that communicated my GPS location to my parents 24/7, I wouldn’t be a fan of it. It’d feel like my parents are monitoring me because they don’t trust me to be truthful about my whereabouts.
If you actually need to, u can “share” as like a thing to attach your actual GPS location in Signal, no different from sharing a pic or file or dictation
I never cared that my parents knew where he was because I was never trying to do anything particularly nefarious and my parents weren’t completely buttheads.
But this was pre mobile phone days (my first phone was a Nokia Ngage), so if I went out they wouldn’t be able to contact me in an emergency so it made sense to say oh I’m going to x house here is ther phone number. Now that mobile phones exist maybe that requirement no longer exists.
That is a trust based transaction when parent asks where their child is going as well.
Putting tracking malware and using surveillance all the time is invasion of privacy, teaching the child that surveillance is okay, and completely lacking a trust relationship, which is bad within a family.
I am Gen Z and I’m not fine with that. I chose to go to college far from where I grew up so that I would be independent and free and do stuff on my own accord, like buying a motorcycle.
I have an organ donor on my license. But I’m not trying to kill myself, I’m just following my heart.
It seems like fewer people in my generation have motorcycles because 1) we have less money (although you can save by replacing a car with one) than previous generations, and 2) the older generations constantly push the narrative that having a motorcycle is equivalent to having a death wish, which circles back to the point that they shouldn’t be spying on us all the time.
You’re taking a line and putting it on the road against planes.
Follow your heart all you want, my math teacher in high-school had a motorcycle. Broke his collar bone, fractured his skull, broke his leg and had road rash. Much like smoking cigarettes, you’re allowed to take your life into your own hands. Don’t convince yourself that you’re somehow doing otherwise.
There’s significantly less chance of getting fucked for life if yiu actually wear proper safety gear. Doesn’t stop the danger of others, though. But it can lower damage.
You sound so paranoid about safety I get the feeling you literally live in a suit of bubble-wrap. If they wanted your finger wagging they’d have asked you for it
Scariest visual novel i ever played was about kids having their privacy personally violated (that is, not generic analytic data, but someone knowing that kid specifically was doing so and so) and just not caring about it.
There are more secure location sharing apps out there that are end to end encrypted. My family uses Zood location https://www.zood.xyz/ when we are out and about and needing to coordinate our locations. It is handy to use sometimes but it doesn’t do all the spy stuff the other apps do.
I self-host Hauk, although I could not polish all the bugs myself, it works pretty well.
We have location sharing on 24/7, it was consensual on both sides, and it is great when coordinating.
I am 27, tho, back in my teenager days there was no location tracking easily available, but I’d use it in a heartbeat. Better than getting asked if I am already on the way home or still at the party.
I mean, just carrying a cellphone with mobile reception is almost like a 24/7 GPS tracker although obv no parent is generally going to be able to (not should they be able to) like warrant or subpoena that shit from the network carriers/towers
I’m a gen zer and I would absolutely freak out. I’d rather not going out rather than being spied 24/7 by my parents. Seriously, this is the best way to kill trust between children and their parents. Now even the social relationship between parents and children has to be extremely toxic and anxiogenic as a basic minimum requirement
See the thing is I’m fine with it because I know my parents wouldn’t have spied on me 24/7. If they were helicopter parents and DID check where I was every hour of the day I wouldn’t be fine with it.
My parents have always been VERY restrictive about anything but computers (just because they don’t understand them). However, I asked them if they would do it and they told me that’s damn outrageous
That cant be real—holy shit. Thats worse than picking on kids that dont have an iPhone™️ or any phone or don’t have “the blue bubbles” from using iMessage (which nobody should ever use honestly)
Fight the system, if someone laughs at you for having a green bubble, just counter by saying you are special and they are just normies like everyone else with blue bubble.
I go even further and say “if you want the real and sick blue bubbles, get Signal”.
Otherwise, enjoy getting spied on and having all your data handed over from Apple and also iMessage is dogshit. Half the time it doesnt even get delivered/received and you have to literally call or message the person through some real stable means of communication to troubleshoot
Imma not even get started on iMessage --> skeleton key/zero-day purpose (this is conjecture but I vehemently reject any argument to the contrary)
Yeah, those people are delusional, but that’s what you get when you raise kids in a world where having expensive shit is more important than teaching them frugality, money saving, and being nice to each other.
Blue bubbles go brrrr, doesn’t matter the kid doesn’t have attention span due to watching TikTok all day, or eating junk food cuz parents order fast food and have frozen pizza every day for dinner.
I know it’s just some rag bait nonsense, but I know as a fact most teens would never want their parents to constantly know where they are and monitor them constantly.
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I just text my parents if I feel like they need to know where I’m at, worked for me from middle school all the way to me living independently today.
Like a phone’s location services can be turned on remotely if an emergency calls for it, but as long as I’m good with my family then the vast majority of the likelihood I’ll ever need to know where my kid is while they can’t communicate with me is null since like 80% of kidnappings are over custody battles or other related family disputes.
To clarify, the location service is turned on remotely during an emergency call or after texting an emergency number to let first responders know where an emergency is, but it is turned off afterwards by the phone if it was disabled beforehand. And it’s only turned on during the call that the user initiates, emergency services cannot remotely turn it on, because it is the phone that actually manages the permissions and computes the location and not the dispatcher. Neither Android nor iOS allows emergency services to remotely turn on location services without you calling them first, since that would be a violation of your privacy and would absolutely be abused by law enforcement.
So everyone should be advised that you cannot check the location of a loved one unless you arrange it before you end up needing it.
Well yeah I meant being able to turn it on via family controls.
Just because I wouldn’t be using it personally save for an emergency doesn’t mean I wouldn’t rather my kid have it in the event of an emergency.
Of course they aren’t getting a phone period until they’re old enough that I feel comfortable they’re olden and wisen enough to let out of my sight for stuff other than school clubs and playdates.
I’m ok with my parents knowing where I am at all times(frankly, they don’t care much about that which is good)
I’m not ok with meta knowing about it
Used to share my location with my dad until he kept sending me a McDonald’s order everytime I was at McDonald’s. Then turned it off, lol. My mum still has it.
Im fine with my parents knowing where i am the only problem is that i would also share my location with big daddy google and im not fine with that. And my parents are divorced so i wouldnt share it with my dad… Also it would drain my battery
I’m 18 and fine with my parents knowing where I am so we can coordinate mealtimes and stuff. I really don’t care for having a third party spy on me 24/7 though. We just Signal each other “I’m at xyz location, be back soon” and that’s plenty enough.
That sounds far more (and acceptably so in my view) stochastic tho, like, do they have on-demand “lets see where lol is right now even though I have zero need to know currently” or is it just like u verbally check-in when they Signal u?
We just verbally check in and I’m totally fine with saying where I am. I believe the important thing here is trust. If, hypothetically, we were able to set up something privacy-respecting that communicated my GPS location to my parents 24/7, I wouldn’t be a fan of it. It’d feel like my parents are monitoring me because they don’t trust me to be truthful about my whereabouts.
If you actually need to, u can “share” as like a thing to attach your actual GPS location in Signal, no different from sharing a pic or file or dictation
True but most of the time I don’t have GPS enabled anyway lol
Samesies! Just wish there was a quicker toggle than Settings > Privacy > Location etc
*rolls D-100* … I disbelieve!
I never cared that my parents knew where he was because I was never trying to do anything particularly nefarious and my parents weren’t completely buttheads.
But this was pre mobile phone days (my first phone was a Nokia Ngage), so if I went out they wouldn’t be able to contact me in an emergency so it made sense to say oh I’m going to x house here is ther phone number. Now that mobile phones exist maybe that requirement no longer exists.
That is a trust based transaction when parent asks where their child is going as well.
Putting tracking malware and using surveillance all the time is invasion of privacy, teaching the child that surveillance is okay, and completely lacking a trust relationship, which is bad within a family.
I am Gen Z and I’m not fine with that. I chose to go to college far from where I grew up so that I would be independent and free and do stuff on my own accord, like buying a motorcycle.
The plural of anecdotes isn’t data. You not being fine with that doesn’t mean the majority aren’t.
They never said the majority wasn’t.
Exactly! I appreciate hearing about a different point of view.
Are Gen Z pro organ donation?
I have an organ donor on my license. But I’m not trying to kill myself, I’m just following my heart.
It seems like fewer people in my generation have motorcycles because 1) we have less money (although you can save by replacing a car with one) than previous generations, and 2) the older generations constantly push the narrative that having a motorcycle is equivalent to having a death wish, which circles back to the point that they shouldn’t be spying on us all the time.
You’re taking a line and putting it on the road against planes.
Follow your heart all you want, my math teacher in high-school had a motorcycle. Broke his collar bone, fractured his skull, broke his leg and had road rash. Much like smoking cigarettes, you’re allowed to take your life into your own hands. Don’t convince yourself that you’re somehow doing otherwise.
The plural of anecdote isnt data. I’ve been riding for 45 years and I’m still here.
Data shows the vast majority of 2 vehicle motorcycle accidents are the fault of the other vehicle
Jesus christ, I don’t care what you risk your life doing.
Claiming that, somehow, riding isn’t dangerous or risky when it’s the other drivers on the road that are at fault is fucking brain damaged.
All it takes is one, and the rest of your life is fucked. I don’t give a shit what you decide is right for you. Genuinely.
There’s significantly less chance of getting fucked for life if yiu actually wear proper safety gear. Doesn’t stop the danger of others, though. But it can lower damage.
That’s great, I’m glad you make these choices for yourself.
I’m being as safe as I can. I’m ATGATT and I started on a beginner bike without much power.
Listen, again, you can do whatever you want.
Do not pretend it isn’t dangerous. This behavior will be what turns you into someone like my math teacher.
You sound so paranoid about safety I get the feeling you literally live in a suit of bubble-wrap. If they wanted your finger wagging they’d have asked you for it
Sure buddy, you’ll never die.
Is that an argument against motorcycles?
Is what?
What?
Business Insider is straight AIDS
Hey, thats not very nice to AIDS, at least AIDS might be cureable someday and isn’t—I dunno, like—BusinessInsider.
Aren’t they like 30 now?
Not quite. By the most common definitions, they’re born between 1997 and 2012, so 10-26.
Scariest visual novel i ever played was about kids having their privacy personally violated (that is, not generic analytic data, but someone knowing that kid specifically was doing so and so) and just not caring about it.
There are more secure location sharing apps out there that are end to end encrypted. My family uses Zood location https://www.zood.xyz/ when we are out and about and needing to coordinate our locations. It is handy to use sometimes but it doesn’t do all the spy stuff the other apps do.
I self-host Hauk, although I could not polish all the bugs myself, it works pretty well.
We have location sharing on 24/7, it was consensual on both sides, and it is great when coordinating.
I am 27, tho, back in my teenager days there was no location tracking easily available, but I’d use it in a heartbeat. Better than getting asked if I am already on the way home or still at the party.
I mean, just carrying a cellphone with mobile reception is almost like a 24/7 GPS tracker although obv no parent is generally going to be able to (not should they be able to) like warrant or subpoena that shit from the network carriers/towers
I’m a gen zer and I would absolutely freak out. I’d rather not going out rather than being spied 24/7 by my parents. Seriously, this is the best way to kill trust between children and their parents. Now even the social relationship between parents and children has to be extremely toxic and anxiogenic as a basic minimum requirement
See the thing is I’m fine with it because I know my parents wouldn’t have spied on me 24/7. If they were helicopter parents and DID check where I was every hour of the day I wouldn’t be fine with it.
My parents have always been VERY restrictive about anything but computers (just because they don’t understand them). However, I asked them if they would do it and they told me that’s damn outrageous
That cant be real—holy shit. Thats worse than picking on kids that dont have an iPhone™️ or any phone or don’t have “the blue bubbles” from using iMessage (which nobody should ever use honestly)
Fight the system, if someone laughs at you for having a green bubble, just counter by saying you are special and they are just normies like everyone else with blue bubble.
I go even further and say “if you want the real and sick blue bubbles, get Signal”.
Otherwise, enjoy getting spied on and having all your data handed over from Apple and also iMessage is dogshit. Half the time it doesnt even get delivered/received and you have to literally call or message the person through some real stable means of communication to troubleshoot
Imma not even get started on iMessage --> skeleton key/zero-day purpose (this is conjecture but I vehemently reject any argument to the contrary)
Yeah, those people are delusional, but that’s what you get when you raise kids in a world where having expensive shit is more important than teaching them frugality, money saving, and being nice to each other.
Blue bubbles go brrrr, doesn’t matter the kid doesn’t have attention span due to watching TikTok all day, or eating junk food cuz parents order fast food and have frozen pizza every day for dinner.
You’re hitting dangerously close to home here, lol
I mean, I do it because I want to, not because I have to.
Okay, sometimes I am just lazy and not doing it might make me regret it later on.
Err—could you clarify what you mean?
The rest of Gen Z can speak for themselves.
I think if anyone is qualified to speak for Gen Z, it’s most certainly Business Insider.
I know it’s just some rag bait nonsense, but I know as a fact most teens would never want their parents to constantly know where they are and monitor them constantly.
OP this post is just outrage bait. Business insider? Really?
Business Insider? Hardly knew 'er.
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I say let them cook.
We’ve had twenty years of bullshit Gen X-written Millennials vs Boomers, it’s past time Gen Z gets some attention.