Telemetry, even if well intentioned, might end in the wrong hands (by a company acquisition, a data breach or a government request). And the data collected is probably enough to make cross referencing with other sources and identify you.
I’m not here to have the Fedora Telemetry discussion, but I think it’s not spying If the user has choice and control over what gets through if anything
Agree to disagree. I think it’s not spying if the user have consent and control over what’s get through if anything. Consent is a higher bar to achieve then choice. But im perfectly fine with you having your own opinion on the matter!
How are both Firefox and Chrome “High” for spying, when Firefox basically only sends diagnostic telemetry by default.
Half of this site is bitching about browsers checking for updates to the browser, addons, and block lists. How is it supposed to function if it doesn’t do that?
First, we have it connecting to Mozilla’s location services, who then obviously learn your location.
Why ‘obviously’? How is connecting to that URL any different from another URL? A webserver gets your IP and rough location either way.
I don’t think the author is trying to be biased, but if you actually work on the code of one browser then you will (consciously or otherwise) write tests that focus on the same issues you consider when developing it.
Also I doubt Brave would let one of their employees run a website that didn’t paint it in a good light!
I suspect that might be the case with the two sections for corp specific trackers, they seem to focus on some feature of brave. I wonder if firefox and tor mitigate it differently.
Wow, what an angry person. Absolutely dripping with seething rage.
His definition of spying is very pragmatic and cares not at all about “why” the spying is done, only that it is done and how much. I still think what Mozilla does is far more benign than Google because Mozilla doesn’t use your data for direct profit. But I don’t necessarily disagree with his definition either, it’s a good one for making objective comparisons.
It’s also worth noting that his tolerance of chromium is rooted in him wanting the current modern web to die in hell fire anyway so he cares little about Googles monopoly of it.
I am though surprised that there aren’t any big Mozilla based projects around. I really would have assumed the Linux and Self hosting communities would be interested in a browser with cross device history etc but where the data is selfhosted and built from the ground up with FOSS principles at heart. Especially now that Mozilla has slowed down their technical development.
That guy again… I just repost what i commented last time:
after looking around on that site, i deeply mistrust the original author about probably everything. using the search term “christchurch shooting was faked”
and arguing that the search results attack conspiracy theories, which means that there is censoring going on - that does not fit my definition of sanity.
e: ah, and the moon landing was fake and covid shots are evil. dudes, this guy is nuts, dont even take the time of the day from him.
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DIgdeeper…lol. Guy is an insane alarmist who is maybe a flat-earther or something.
Where’s lynx?
How about Mullvad-Browser?
What about DuckDuckGo?
not all telemetry is bad or spying
Telemetry, even if well intentioned, might end in the wrong hands (by a company acquisition, a data breach or a government request). And the data collected is probably enough to make cross referencing with other sources and identify you.
anonymous Telemetry exists
The only telemetry that is not spying is when they ask if the user allows it, on install, with the default being: no.
Otherwise it’s all spying as far as I’m concerned.
I’m not here to have the Fedora Telemetry discussion, but I think it’s not spying If the user has choice and control over what gets through if anything
Agree to disagree. I think it’s not spying if the user have consent and control over what’s get through if anything. Consent is a higher bar to achieve then choice. But im perfectly fine with you having your own opinion on the matter!
I think we agree here, tho I seem to have formulated my comment in a way where it didn’t seem like that.
How are both Firefox and Chrome “High” for spying, when Firefox basically only sends diagnostic telemetry by default.
Half of this site is bitching about browsers checking for updates to the browser, addons, and block lists. How is it supposed to function if it doesn’t do that?
Why ‘obviously’? How is connecting to that URL any different from another URL? A webserver gets your IP and rough location either way.
I prefer https://privacytests.org/
The totally unbiased website run by a Brave employee?
The tests are in a public github repo, it doesn’t seem like they’re hiding anything.
Brave browser itself is in a public GitHub repo.
I don’t think the author is trying to be biased, but if you actually work on the code of one browser then you will (consciously or otherwise) write tests that focus on the same issues you consider when developing it.
Also I doubt Brave would let one of their employees run a website that didn’t paint it in a good light!
I suspect that might be the case with the two sections for corp specific trackers, they seem to focus on some feature of brave. I wonder if firefox and tor mitigate it differently.
Lol librewolf is still the best on it
It doesn’t take an expert to see that the blog’s argumentation is absurd and extremely paranoid, if not outright conspiratorial.
Wow, what an angry person. Absolutely dripping with seething rage.
His definition of spying is very pragmatic and cares not at all about “why” the spying is done, only that it is done and how much. I still think what Mozilla does is far more benign than Google because Mozilla doesn’t use your data for direct profit. But I don’t necessarily disagree with his definition either, it’s a good one for making objective comparisons.
It’s also worth noting that his tolerance of chromium is rooted in him wanting the current modern web to die in hell fire anyway so he cares little about Googles monopoly of it.
I am though surprised that there aren’t any big Mozilla based projects around. I really would have assumed the Linux and Self hosting communities would be interested in a browser with cross device history etc but where the data is selfhosted and built from the ground up with FOSS principles at heart. Especially now that Mozilla has slowed down their technical development.
Very good idea! Be the change you wanna see and fork firefox right now! :) or build something else entirely.
That whole page feels like an ad for umatrix
That guy again… I just repost what i commented last time:
I find it funny that in this chart Firefox == Chrome which is not necessarily true.
always happy to see browsers trashed. modern web sucks.
Something is not right with this… I cannot directly dispute, but something is not right. I have no time…
Someone?
Theres plenty of strong opinion in this dumpsterfire of a blogpost And very little in the way of facts.