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I’ve switched from Proton Drive and Calendar to Nextcloud, which is an upgrade.

I’ve switched from Proton Pass to Vaultwarden, which works just as well for me.

I’ve switched from Standard Notes to Memos, which has also been an improvement for me considering my notes needs are pretty basic and Memos fits perfectly.

That leaves Mail, Simple Login, and VPN. I have alternatives lined up with Tuta, addy.io, and Mullvad, but I haven’t pulled the trigger yet. I would be paying more than I am now with Proton (2 year plan) and it would be a massive pain to switch email providers.

I’m considering staying with Proton for only those services, but on thin ice. If they fuck up again, I’m absolutely out.

I may end up switching anyway however. This situation has left a bad taste in my mouth, and if I have the motivation and time to deal with migrating one day in the near future, I might just do it regardless. We’ll see.


I was also fortunate in that all of my aliases were based on a domain that I own.

I’m in the same boat luckily, so maybe this won’t be as bad as I’m expecting. I’ll take a look at Addy.io as well, thanks for the recommendation!


“On Politics and Proton - a message from Andy”
[Original post by u/Proton_Team on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/), reposting here so everyone is in the loop on updates. >Hi all, last night, a post from last year from my personal X account suddenly became a topic of discussion here on Reddit. I want to share a few thoughts on this to provide clarity to the community on what is Proton's policy on politics going forward. >First, while the X post was not intended to be a political statement, I can understand how it can be interpreted as such, and it therefore should not have been made. While we will not prohibit all employees from expressing personal political opinions publicly, it is something I will personally avoid in the future. I lean left on some issues, and right on other issues, but it doesn't serve our mission to publicly debate this. It should be obvious, but I will say that it is a false equivalence to say that agreeing with Republicans on one specific issue (antitrust enforcement to protect small companies) is equal to endorsing the entire Republican party platform. >Second, officially Proton must always be politically neutral, and while we may share facts and analysis, our policy going forward will be to share no opinions of a political nature. The line between facts, analysis, and opinions can be blurry at times, but we will seek to better clarify this over time through your feedback and input. >The exception to these rules is on the topics of privacy, security, and freedom. These are necessarily political topics, where influencing public policy to defend these values, often requires engaging politically. >The operations of Proton have always reflected our neutrality. For example, recently we refused pressure to deplatform both Palestinian student groups and Zionist student groups, not because we necessarily agreed with their views, but because we believe more strongly in their right to have their own views. >It is also a legal guarantee under Swiss law, which explicitly prohibits us from assisting foreign governments or agencies, and allows us no discretion to show favoritism as Swiss law and Swiss courts have the final say. >The promise we make is that no matter your politics, you will always be welcome at Proton (subject of course to adherence to our terms and conditions). When it comes to defending your right to privacy, Proton will show no favoritism or bias, and will unconditionally defend it irrespective of the opinions you may hold. >This is because both Proton as a company, and Proton as a community, is highly diverse, with people that hold a wide range of opinions and perspectives. It's important that we not lose sight of nuance. Agreeing/disagreeing with somebody on one point, rarely means you agree/disagree with them on every other point. >I would like to believe that as a community there is more that unites us than divides us, and that privacy and freedom are universal values that we can all agree upon. This continues to be the mission of the non-profit Proton Foundation, and we will strive to carry it out as neutrally as possible. >Going forward, I will be posting via [u/andy1011000](https://www.reddit.com/user/andy1011000/). Thank you for your feedback and inputs so far, and we look forward to continuing the conversation.
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Mostly because if I’m going to go through the trouble of maintaining a Nextcloud instance, I might as well use its calendar to maintain more control of my data. If Nextcloud gives me trouble down the line (as it tends to do in my experience) then I’ll give Tuta’s calendar a try.

I’m optimistic for Nextcloud though, the latest AIO docker versions seem solid.


Unfortunately I made the mistake of really digging myself into the Proton ecosystem.

My current plan is:

VPN -> Mullvad

Mail -> Tuta

Pass -> Bitwarden (not sure if I want to host yet)

Drive -> Nextcloud (Self-Hosted)

Calendar -> Nextcloud (Self-Hosted)

Standard Notes -> Memos (Self-Hosted) (already done)

Simple Login -> no fucking clue, I am dreading migrating these.


I can deal with Andy Yen being a dumbass in his own time, but the official Proton reddit account doubling down on this shit is over the line for me.

I literally just renewed for 2 years a couple days ago. I will be looking for alternatives and hopefully I can get a partial refund or something.