Not paying youtube a cent until they remove all the transphobes and quit blasting people with their shit ass bigoted content. I’ll pirate and ad block just to spite them every step of the way. Make your bed with fascists, lay in it.
Remember the time when we used to search for and share funny ads? They could’ve done that, but no, they chose to make shitty ads that nobody wants to see.
I am 43 and I remember growing up, people in the early days of the internet were calling people in my age group (late genx/early millenial) a generation that will be “impossible to advertise to.” For me, it’s rang very true. I can’t think of a single time I ever saw an ad for anything and it made me want to spend money on a product or service. But I guess that hasn’t been the norm, or ads would be dead.
Early GenXer here. Am the same way. Have always hated ads in any form. Except maybe print ads. Especially in the old days in mags like Electronic Fun & Games or something. Even targeted ads are useless to me. If there’s something I’m interested in, I’ll search it out and find what I need. I don’t need some company scraping my data and telling me what I want. I run a Pihole, use ad blockers and YouTube specific apps to block ads and always will
I dunno, I’m 40 and have definitely bought things because of ads. Highly targeted ones on Instagram have introduced me to a lot of cycling gear I wouldn’t have otherwise known about. It seems like most of the youtube ads are pretty bad though
Yeah, that kind of thing I usually try to filter past but exceptionally rarely sometimes something catches me.
It’s been better since breaking a bunch of collection methods and adding garbage data to throw them off but, you know. Id rather just be happy with what I have and mindful/selective when getting new stuff - ads bloat that in a way I don’t appreciate, I guess.
Honestly it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if more people started using nebula and curiositystream for their content. The quality of content there is fantastic. Floatplane is another weird one out there which benefits users and content providers
I pay for premium because I despise ads. I do whatever I can to remove them from my life. They are really playing with fire. Change is in the air rn anyway.
How I want a YT competitor, but I really don’t see how anyone can compete with their storage and bandwidth.
I also pay for premium, and tbh what I get out of it is worth it. I pay for 1 streaming site at a time, I pay fast mail for email. I’m not hesitant to pay for something as long as I get value out of it
Right now the #1 alternative is Odysee. While Odysee itself is a centralized company its just as open sourced front end for the decentralized LBRY block chain.
As of now Odysee has far more videos, features, and download speeds then any other YouTube alternative.
If you’re interested in supporting an alternative I reccomend downloading the “watch on odysee” extension which redirects YouTube videos that areavailible on Odysee, to Odysee. (Firefox)(Chrome)
If you don’t like it, then fork the and start your own curated version of Odysee. That’s the beauty of federated software.
And while yes in its current state the userbase is pretty toxic; that’s the price to pay when you have a platform with total free speech. The early adopters are always going to be the ones who rely on it the most (unsavory individuals). However this is no argument against free speech in the same way that criminals being the first ones to adopt privacy related projects, is no argument against privacy.
Personally I can’t think of a single traditional value worth preserving and I’ve got nothing worth conserving - given the pollution of the right that modern day corruption has completed, I’ll stick to the lesser, at least until I can’t dodge advertising anymore.
I think you’re going by the English meaning of “conservative”.
The word is badly chosen, because I don’t think they really are traditionalists. Probably “capitalist” would be a better fit. And paradoxically there are many things I find the “progressives” want to do which are in fact regressive.
It’s a bit confusing and I think names should be changed to something else if it were up to me.
Words have power, and words like “progressive” and “woke” have positive connotations while “conservative” has negative connotation which is sad; they don’t even apply anymore to the groups or ideas they represent.
Yes, you’re right about the English definition - talking politics is difficult in a global forum because of these strange idiosyncrasies.
I do try to use the language flatly, avoiding emotive words where possible. It’s interesting you say that “woke” has positive connotations, as I think the Republican🇺🇲 and Conservative🇬🇧 crowds have been using that word as something approaching a slur!
When I say “conservatism” I am strictly referring to the definition in the dictionary or the wiki. I feel like the UK Tory party is definitely following a more anarcho-capitalist expression of the ideology, but their trans exclusionary rhetoric does have the air of “traditional” CoE values around it. In the states, the creeping in of a Christian flavoured version of Sharia law is an interesting development under a lib president, as I would consider this an expression of conservatism.
Personally, I think the connotations that the term conservatism has earned over the last hundred years are well earned, especially as the core values of conservatism seem to be somewhat nebulous. Ultimately we can only judge by the totally flawed implementation of the system that we have - just as we have judged Communism to be a totally unworkable and flawed system by studying the facist regimes of Russia and China as examples - despite the similarities between communism and what the USSR/CCP were/are being almost nil; though this is probably what you were driving at with your closing statement! 😅
Considering how big and relevant YouTube is, I don’t see it getting replaced by PeerTubr. The alternative at the moment are apps like ViewTube which is a custom front-end for YouTube that removes all the ads and tracking
Have we got any reps from ReVanced over here yet?
It’s not a federated or decentralised approach, but it at least removes the layer of scum enveloping YouTube.
YouTube is seriously forgetting it’s role. I liked it better when it was dbz videos to Linkin Park and looney tunes. We use YouTube to not have a premium service then maybe contribute to the creators we like. We do NOT need yet another “streaming service” bill. They’re getting out of hand.
If a company has no competition, being a monopoly, it’s basically free to do whatever it wants. Youtube controls the video streaming market of the internet. If they choose to not pay content creators, to run 10 ads in a row every 3 minutes, or to ban content creators for saying something their automods think is a bad word, what will you do? Where else will you turn? Odds are there’s nothing for you on Vimeo. So you either make do with how Youtube operates, or you don’t get to watch cat videos, or video essays on WW2, or playthroughs of Super Mario Sunshine, or what have you.
Bring able to skip 5 seconds into a 14-30 second ad isn’t a huge inconvenience. When doing something AFK the ad ends in a reasonable amount of time so you’re right back to your background music or whatever. I’ve never taken issue with that. I’m not a huge fan of the newer strategy that run two ads in a row, but it’s still tolerable. What I deplore is the occasional infomercial ad that’ll run for anywhere from 5 minutes to 20 hours without intervention. Those are the reason I run an ad blocker on the desktop.
On mobile there’s fewer options. Running adblock on Firefox works for now, but if that gets neutered I won’t cry. Another option is to install an app that works with the YouTube app to automatically skip ads after five seconds. If youtube takes action against those apps I’ll spend a lot less time on YouTube.
This harkens to the current reddit situation. I’m only here because I got tired of their incessant “get our app” prompts on mobile and just started looking into getting an app right when the shit hit the fan. Forcing intrusive advertising on users is a great way to alienate them.
maybe you missed the part where they are not only trying to get rid of adblockers, but also are trying to change over to at least 30 seconds of unskippable ads
At some point the ratio of convenience to quality got all out of whack. Most people I know use maybe three different platforms at most and get angered by all of them. My internet experience peaked when I was checking 20 extremely specific forums regularly and using in-game chat 90% of the time (vent/teamspeak were reserved for raid night).
I wonder how they will enforce this. If you can just open a private window to bypass it, it won’t be very effective. Sure, they could do some fingerprinting, but I imagine avoiding false-positives would be very important, so I doubt they’d get very far with that.
Honestly, the only way I see is implementing a login wall, which I wouldn’t put past them. And that’s kinda scary. It would render so many links inaccessible to people without a Google account.
Or who knows, maybe they just want to make it more cumbersome and not completely prevent it, to get more people onto YouTube Premium, while the more determined people can continue adblocking because it’s not worth fighting a small minority.
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I already have enough content to watch between Peertube and Odysee. Youtube is dead to me.
Not paying youtube a cent until they remove all the transphobes and quit blasting people with their shit ass bigoted content. I’ll pirate and ad block just to spite them every step of the way. Make your bed with fascists, lay in it.
Remember the time when we used to search for and share funny ads? They could’ve done that, but no, they chose to make shitty ads that nobody wants to see.
With ublock theres no issues?
block scripts with uMatrix. a little finer grained. if they block me, oh well. still won’t watch ads
uBlock can do everything that uMatrix can do it just has a different interface, so there’s no need to use the deprecated uMatrix
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Isn’t uMatrix deprecated though? Haven’t been in the extensions game for a while.
still using on chrome, v 1.4.4
Deprecated as in EOL and no more updates, not if it’s off the webstores
I am 43 and I remember growing up, people in the early days of the internet were calling people in my age group (late genx/early millenial) a generation that will be “impossible to advertise to.” For me, it’s rang very true. I can’t think of a single time I ever saw an ad for anything and it made me want to spend money on a product or service. But I guess that hasn’t been the norm, or ads would be dead.
Same age group, a little more aversion to ads. Big ads spenders are at a disadvantage in my selection process.
Early GenXer here. Am the same way. Have always hated ads in any form. Except maybe print ads. Especially in the old days in mags like Electronic Fun & Games or something. Even targeted ads are useless to me. If there’s something I’m interested in, I’ll search it out and find what I need. I don’t need some company scraping my data and telling me what I want. I run a Pihole, use ad blockers and YouTube specific apps to block ads and always will
I dunno, I’m 40 and have definitely bought things because of ads. Highly targeted ones on Instagram have introduced me to a lot of cycling gear I wouldn’t have otherwise known about. It seems like most of the youtube ads are pretty bad though
Yeah, that kind of thing I usually try to filter past but exceptionally rarely sometimes something catches me.
It’s been better since breaking a bunch of collection methods and adding garbage data to throw them off but, you know. Id rather just be happy with what I have and mindful/selective when getting new stuff - ads bloat that in a way I don’t appreciate, I guess.
They’re alive because of all the tracking data they use now. Targeted ads are significantly more effective than their counterparts.
If they break Piped and Invidious, I guess I’ll have to only watch Nebula content.
Honestly it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if more people started using nebula and curiositystream for their content. The quality of content there is fantastic. Floatplane is another weird one out there which benefits users and content providers
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Youtube is much harder to migrate from. It has a loooot of data. Where else can I upgrade 60 minutes of 4k gopro footage for free?
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Well, I like the idea of Peertube, but they need to find a way for the content creators to monetize, otherwise they will not leave YouTube.
They must have missed the memo that explained how the internet is a series of tubes.
I pay for premium because I despise ads. I do whatever I can to remove them from my life. They are really playing with fire. Change is in the air rn anyway.
How I want a YT competitor, but I really don’t see how anyone can compete with their storage and bandwidth.
I also pay for premium, and tbh what I get out of it is worth it. I pay for 1 streaming site at a time, I pay fast mail for email. I’m not hesitant to pay for something as long as I get value out of it
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear…
Lemmy youtube when?
What?
Right now the #1 alternative is Odysee. While Odysee itself is a centralized company its just as open sourced front end for the decentralized LBRY block chain.
As of now Odysee has far more videos, features, and download speeds then any other YouTube alternative.
If you’re interested in supporting an alternative I reccomend downloading the “watch on odysee” extension which redirects YouTube videos that areavailible on Odysee, to Odysee. (Firefox) (Chrome)
Odysee is a right wing cesspool with no moderation: https://thelinuxexp.com/Im-leaving-odysee/
If you don’t like it, then fork the and start your own curated version of Odysee. That’s the beauty of federated software.
And while yes in its current state the userbase is pretty toxic; that’s the price to pay when you have a platform with total free speech. The early adopters are always going to be the ones who rely on it the most (unsavory individuals). However this is no argument against free speech in the same way that criminals being the first ones to adopt privacy related projects, is no argument against privacy.
TIL refusing to remove content you disagree with = right wing cesspool.
Just like YouTube is a left wing cesspool with cancel culture?
Censoring the right is always a good thing
Tons of right wing nonsense on youtube
I guess you have to pick your poison.
Personally I can’t think of a single traditional value worth preserving and I’ve got nothing worth conserving - given the pollution of the right that modern day corruption has completed, I’ll stick to the lesser, at least until I can’t dodge advertising anymore.
I think you’re going by the English meaning of “conservative”. The word is badly chosen, because I don’t think they really are traditionalists. Probably “capitalist” would be a better fit. And paradoxically there are many things I find the “progressives” want to do which are in fact regressive. It’s a bit confusing and I think names should be changed to something else if it were up to me. Words have power, and words like “progressive” and “woke” have positive connotations while “conservative” has negative connotation which is sad; they don’t even apply anymore to the groups or ideas they represent.
Yes, you’re right about the English definition - talking politics is difficult in a global forum because of these strange idiosyncrasies.
I do try to use the language flatly, avoiding emotive words where possible. It’s interesting you say that “woke” has positive connotations, as I think the Republican🇺🇲 and Conservative🇬🇧 crowds have been using that word as something approaching a slur!
When I say “conservatism” I am strictly referring to the definition in the dictionary or the wiki. I feel like the UK Tory party is definitely following a more anarcho-capitalist expression of the ideology, but their trans exclusionary rhetoric does have the air of “traditional” CoE values around it. In the states, the creeping in of a Christian flavoured version of Sharia law is an interesting development under a lib president, as I would consider this an expression of conservatism.
Personally, I think the connotations that the term conservatism has earned over the last hundred years are well earned, especially as the core values of conservatism seem to be somewhat nebulous. Ultimately we can only judge by the totally flawed implementation of the system that we have - just as we have judged Communism to be a totally unworkable and flawed system by studying the facist regimes of Russia and China as examples - despite the similarities between communism and what the USSR/CCP were/are being almost nil; though this is probably what you were driving at with your closing statement! 😅
Considering how big and relevant YouTube is, I don’t see it getting replaced by PeerTubr. The alternative at the moment are apps like ViewTube which is a custom front-end for YouTube that removes all the ads and tracking
Have we got any reps from ReVanced over here yet? It’s not a federated or decentralised approach, but it at least removes the layer of scum enveloping YouTube.
I suggest NewPipe, I never tried ReVanced, but NewPipe probably has the same features if not more, i find it quite good
There’s PeerTube I guess but all the videos are already on YouTube soo…
YouTube is seriously forgetting it’s role. I liked it better when it was dbz videos to Linkin Park and looney tunes. We use YouTube to not have a premium service then maybe contribute to the creators we like. We do NOT need yet another “streaming service” bill. They’re getting out of hand.
Man, 144p AMVs were peak internet.
DBZ Music Videos, that takes me back to the 00’s.
Youtube is a prime example of why monopolies are bad
As much as I dislike ads, “Company wants to make revenue from its product” is not a prime example of why monopolies are bad.
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Youtube has done a lot more bad shit than push ads everywhere
Why? Can you elaborate?
If a company has no competition, being a monopoly, it’s basically free to do whatever it wants. Youtube controls the video streaming market of the internet. If they choose to not pay content creators, to run 10 ads in a row every 3 minutes, or to ban content creators for saying something their automods think is a bad word, what will you do? Where else will you turn? Odds are there’s nothing for you on Vimeo. So you either make do with how Youtube operates, or you don’t get to watch cat videos, or video essays on WW2, or playthroughs of Super Mario Sunshine, or what have you.
I had as context in mind that they won’t allow you to watch videos without paying for it via subscription or advertisment
Bring able to skip 5 seconds into a 14-30 second ad isn’t a huge inconvenience. When doing something AFK the ad ends in a reasonable amount of time so you’re right back to your background music or whatever. I’ve never taken issue with that. I’m not a huge fan of the newer strategy that run two ads in a row, but it’s still tolerable. What I deplore is the occasional infomercial ad that’ll run for anywhere from 5 minutes to 20 hours without intervention. Those are the reason I run an ad blocker on the desktop.
On mobile there’s fewer options. Running adblock on Firefox works for now, but if that gets neutered I won’t cry. Another option is to install an app that works with the YouTube app to automatically skip ads after five seconds. If youtube takes action against those apps I’ll spend a lot less time on YouTube.
This harkens to the current reddit situation. I’m only here because I got tired of their incessant “get our app” prompts on mobile and just started looking into getting an app right when the shit hit the fan. Forcing intrusive advertising on users is a great way to alienate them.
maybe you missed the part where they are not only trying to get rid of adblockers, but also are trying to change over to at least 30 seconds of unskippable ads
Decentralize! FEDERATE EVERYTHING!
I agree, the internet needs to go back to its roots. Putting your eggs in one basket is just a bad idea.
At some point the ratio of convenience to quality got all out of whack. Most people I know use maybe three different platforms at most and get angered by all of them. My internet experience peaked when I was checking 20 extremely specific forums regularly and using in-game chat 90% of the time (vent/teamspeak were reserved for raid night).
I wonder how they will enforce this. If you can just open a private window to bypass it, it won’t be very effective. Sure, they could do some fingerprinting, but I imagine avoiding false-positives would be very important, so I doubt they’d get very far with that.
Honestly, the only way I see is implementing a login wall, which I wouldn’t put past them. And that’s kinda scary. It would render so many links inaccessible to people without a Google account.
Or who knows, maybe they just want to make it more cumbersome and not completely prevent it, to get more people onto YouTube Premium, while the more determined people can continue adblocking because it’s not worth fighting a small minority.
This is probably it. Google’s in a cashflow crunch given the current economy and so they’ve been cutting benefits and boosting profits.
Why is it a bad way to show a warning and still let you watch 3 videos for free?