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Well, I guess your anecdotal evidence is as good as mine, because nobody in my design circle will touch the damn thing. Meanwhile Blender is the standard for 3d designers I know.
Blender is for models, not art. It’s different software. It’s great at what it does. Expecting that because one open source project can beat proprietary then all can is a pretty shallow view. A project relies on volunteers, sacrifice and funding.
You’re saying it’s bad because no one you know uses it doesn’t suggest no-one uses it, just you don’t know the users of it. Maybe your circle is as open minded to software as you are. Similar people surround themselves with each other. It says more about you than the software.
Linux on every rig, third parry clients for every service. K9 mail, graphene OS, Linux.
Every damn app and program outside of my banking is open source. I love open source. Gimp just simply sucks ass. Its why Gimp offends me so much. Its the one weak spot in my entire open source life.
Finally a voice of reason. I’m in the same boat. Linux everything, including any standalone products I can load it onto. I can count on one hand the number of non-linux programs I use. GIMP’s interface simply sucks. They know that, they’ve been given feedback since 1995, they just don’t care. @CrypticCoffee is in here acting like GIMP just needs some support from the community but the reality is that they’ve neglected decades of feedback and so they deserve what they get. If that’s negative feedback, then so be it!
Blender’s UI used to be a dumpsterfire too, right on part with GIMP in my opinion. They straight up redesigned that shit from the ground up and now it’s an amazing and intuitive powerhouse program, and they’re 7 years younger!
The fact that GIMP is 2d and blender is 3d works in gimp’s favor if anything. 2D is a whole lot simpler, and blender goes into animation, mixing, audio, dozens of specialities.
TL;DR, GIMP has had decades to improve, they don’t, and they deserve to reap what they sow, both positive and negative.
A wee bit of a difference in funding. There are alternatives to GIMP, not really as much for Blender. They cannot be compared. GIMP probably couldn’t afford a UI developer if they tried. You’re looking at least £3k pcm for someone who isn’t punishing themselves.
Do you want to tell me what sort of voodoo magic GIMP do to match the resources Blender get? Your opinions are based in feelings, not reality. You may hate GIMP, you may hate the UI, you may want the project to fail and take that mission as keyboard crusader, but it’s unfortunately just not a realistic position, but hey, your feelings can be unrealistic if they want to be. You can feel what you want. Some of us hate big corporations and injustice, others, it seems hate free software projects built by volunteers.
Krita gets ~4000 euros a month and their ui is beautiful, functional, streamlined, and dare I say on par with much, much larger offerings. Until recently Zbrush was a 1-time license purchase for years and years. Their software is incredibly powerful and their UI is well organized and feature rich, and their entire net worth is like $100k total…
I’m going to let you argue with the wall, because you’d rather talk feelings than make a coherent argument.
You can die on this hill if you want to. Gimp has its reputation amongst the public, and it’s not for it’s user friendly UI. Maybe you like the jank, but that doesn’t mean it’s optimal.
Also, another thing open source projects need is feedback from the public. The UI being horrid is feedback, and just because you feel the need to white knight and feel personally offended by this feedback doesnt make the feedback invalid. You can complain about the phrasing used, but if you use that as reason to disregard the feedback or get defensive and accusatory towards the person (the “what have YOU done” bit was particularly irrelevant) then you’re part of the problem regardless how much you feel you’re the solution.
Most of the public don’t know GIMP, the ones that do see the way it’s communicated from the community.
You say I can die on this hill. I said 2 points in the post you responded to.
Blender is great software
That people use GIMP.
What did I say that is wrong in that comment? What did you disagree with? Are you saying Blender isn’t great, or are you saying zero people use GIMP?
If you agree with both the sentiments I said, you either responded to the wrong message, or you’re going out of your way to argue with me, and not the points I made.
I never disregarded the points about the UI. The UI could do with improvements. UI doesn’t improve by people blasting a piece of software on the internet, it comes by giving your time to help improve it, or forking it, or donating to someone that can. If you’re not doing any of those things, you’re not actually helping to address the problem. It’s not constructive criticism or helpful. It’s just putting yourself on a sandbox as if your opinions mean more about the software than the people who take time to make it and improve it.
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That is true, but to get free software made by people in their free time and say “this is rubbish” is a little ungrateful.
“Here, have this free food…”. " ewww gross, that is so bad".
I’m saying is that there is tons of open source software that isn’t crap. Gimp has no excuse it should be as good as the others.
Especially one as mature as Gimp.
Considering I know many artists that use it as first choice, I know you’re wrong.
It’s good software, you just don’t like it.
Well, I guess your anecdotal evidence is as good as mine, because nobody in my design circle will touch the damn thing. Meanwhile Blender is the standard for 3d designers I know.
Blender is for models, not art. It’s different software. It’s great at what it does. Expecting that because one open source project can beat proprietary then all can is a pretty shallow view. A project relies on volunteers, sacrifice and funding.
You’re saying it’s bad because no one you know uses it doesn’t suggest no-one uses it, just you don’t know the users of it. Maybe your circle is as open minded to software as you are. Similar people surround themselves with each other. It says more about you than the software.
Buddy, I breath open source.
Linux on every rig, third parry clients for every service. K9 mail, graphene OS, Linux.
Every damn app and program outside of my banking is open source. I love open source. Gimp just simply sucks ass. Its why Gimp offends me so much. Its the one weak spot in my entire open source life.
Finally a voice of reason. I’m in the same boat. Linux everything, including any standalone products I can load it onto. I can count on one hand the number of non-linux programs I use. GIMP’s interface simply sucks. They know that, they’ve been given feedback since 1995, they just don’t care. @CrypticCoffee is in here acting like GIMP just needs some support from the community but the reality is that they’ve neglected decades of feedback and so they deserve what they get. If that’s negative feedback, then so be it!
Blender’s UI used to be a dumpsterfire too, right on part with GIMP in my opinion. They straight up redesigned that shit from the ground up and now it’s an amazing and intuitive powerhouse program, and they’re 7 years younger!
The fact that GIMP is 2d and blender is 3d works in gimp’s favor if anything. 2D is a whole lot simpler, and blender goes into animation, mixing, audio, dozens of specialities.
TL;DR, GIMP has had decades to improve, they don’t, and they deserve to reap what they sow, both positive and negative.
https://www.gimp.org/news/2021/07/27/support-gimp-developers-sustainable-development/
GIMP getting around $2k dollars a month or a bit more:
https://fund.blender.org/
138,000 euro MONTLY contribution.
A wee bit of a difference in funding. There are alternatives to GIMP, not really as much for Blender. They cannot be compared. GIMP probably couldn’t afford a UI developer if they tried. You’re looking at least £3k pcm for someone who isn’t punishing themselves.
Do you want to tell me what sort of voodoo magic GIMP do to match the resources Blender get? Your opinions are based in feelings, not reality. You may hate GIMP, you may hate the UI, you may want the project to fail and take that mission as keyboard crusader, but it’s unfortunately just not a realistic position, but hey, your feelings can be unrealistic if they want to be. You can feel what you want. Some of us hate big corporations and injustice, others, it seems hate free software projects built by volunteers.
Krita gets ~4000 euros a month and their ui is beautiful, functional, streamlined, and dare I say on par with much, much larger offerings. Until recently Zbrush was a 1-time license purchase for years and years. Their software is incredibly powerful and their UI is well organized and feature rich, and their entire net worth is like $100k total…
I’m going to let you argue with the wall, because you’d rather talk feelings than make a coherent argument.
You can die on this hill if you want to. Gimp has its reputation amongst the public, and it’s not for it’s user friendly UI. Maybe you like the jank, but that doesn’t mean it’s optimal.
Also, another thing open source projects need is feedback from the public. The UI being horrid is feedback, and just because you feel the need to white knight and feel personally offended by this feedback doesnt make the feedback invalid. You can complain about the phrasing used, but if you use that as reason to disregard the feedback or get defensive and accusatory towards the person (the “what have YOU done” bit was particularly irrelevant) then you’re part of the problem regardless how much you feel you’re the solution.
Most of the public don’t know GIMP, the ones that do see the way it’s communicated from the community.
You say I can die on this hill. I said 2 points in the post you responded to.
What did I say that is wrong in that comment? What did you disagree with? Are you saying Blender isn’t great, or are you saying zero people use GIMP?
If you agree with both the sentiments I said, you either responded to the wrong message, or you’re going out of your way to argue with me, and not the points I made.
I never disregarded the points about the UI. The UI could do with improvements. UI doesn’t improve by people blasting a piece of software on the internet, it comes by giving your time to help improve it, or forking it, or donating to someone that can. If you’re not doing any of those things, you’re not actually helping to address the problem. It’s not constructive criticism or helpful. It’s just putting yourself on a sandbox as if your opinions mean more about the software than the people who take time to make it and improve it.