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Sorry, replied out of my inbox and thought I was in the other thread.

Also, apologies for not knowing how to properly link a post across instances.

https://lemmy.ml/post/24849383?scrollToComments=true

https://proton.me/blog/trump-control-nsa-privacy

It is not Trump’s fault

It is tempting to blame all this on Trump, but that is taking the easy way out. All Trump does is put a new face on the existing privacy problem, so now it concerns a segment of the population that previously didn’t care as much. Proton Mail users have always come from both the left and right side of the political spectrum. Today, we are seeing an influx of liberal users, but Proton Mail has also long been popular with the political right, who were truly worried about big government spying, and the Obama administration having access to their communications. Now the tables have turned.

The same terror the political right has experienced is now being felt in liberal bubbles such as Silicon Valley for the first time.

The rest of the blog post is whataboutism followed by a sales pitch.


I need to start paying attention more, how was this under my radar?

Having said that, your link isn’t working for me. For anyone else: https://www.nubo.coop/


It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about

That’s not how I read it.

“The same terror the political right has experienced is now being felt in liberal bubbles such as Silicon Valley for the first time.”

We can agree to disagree.


Nicely done, and it will be interesting to see if you get another reply.


My point is that the terror doesn’t need an external source. It can be generated internally.

Fair, but that’s still not how I read this. Apologies for copying and pasting from another of my replies, but it’s the same answer -

It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about. His very premise that only now does the left see the problem is ridiculous on its face. (And the more I think about it, it’s typical maga thinking - well NOW you libs see what it’s like!) And he makes up that ridiculous premise only so he can say “hey guys everyone worries about these things, Trump’s not that bad.


It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about. His very premise that only now does the left see the problem is ridiculous on its face. (And the more I think about it, it’s typical maga thinking - well NOW you libs see what it’s like!) And he makes up that ridiculous premise only so he can say “hey guys everyone worries about these things, Trump’s not that bad.


It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about. His very premise that only now does the left see the problem is ridiculous on its face. (And the more I think about it, it’s typical maga thinking - well NOW you libs see what it’s like!) And he makes up that ridiculous premise only so he can say “hey guys everyone worries about these things, Trump’s not that bad.


It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about. His very premise that only now does the left see the problem is ridiculous on its face. (And the more I think about it, it’s typical maga thinking - well NOW you libs see what it’s like!) And he makes up that ridiculous premise only so he can say “hey guys everyone worries about these things, Trump’s not that bad.



Pretty much all I can imagine.


My point is that the fear we all experienced when Trump was first elected and are experiencing now is not factually compared against any event that should have sparked fear in the “political right.”

Edited to add - terror is a strong word. I didn’t invoke it. The CEO did. So there must be an external source for that terror, else his entire point is vapors.



>>It is not Trump’s fault >>It is tempting to blame all this on Trump, but that is taking the easy way out. All Trump does is put a new face on the existing privacy problem, so now it concerns a segment of the population that previously didn’t care as much. Proton Mail users have always come from both the left and right side of the political spectrum. Today, we are seeing an influx of liberal users, but Proton Mail has also long been popular with the political right, who were truly worried about big government spying, and the Obama administration having access to their communications. Now the tables have turned. >>**The same terror the political right has experienced is now being felt in liberal bubbles such as Silicon Valley for the first time.** The left is correct to be terrified of a Trump-led NSA snooping on their communications, especially since Silicon Valley giants like Google and Facebook can be forced to spy on users on behalf of Trump’s NSA. However, this precedent was not set by Trump – he hasn’t even taken office yet. The first major incident of a US tech giant being complicit in US government spying actually took place in 2015 under the Obama administration(new window). Can someone remind me about the terror campaigns we had against the political right before Trump was elected?
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Oh shit he was a Trump apologist already in 2016. Look at this awesome whataboutism.

https://proton.me/blog/trump-control-nsa-privacy

It is not Trump’s fault

It is tempting to blame all this on Trump, but that is taking the easy way out. All Trump does is put a new face on the existing privacy problem, so now it concerns a segment of the population that previously didn’t care as much. Proton Mail users have always come from both the left and right side of the political spectrum. Today, we are seeing an influx of liberal users, but Proton Mail has also long been popular with the political right, who were truly worried about big government spying, and the Obama administration having access to their communications. Now the tables have turned.

The same terror the political right has experienced is now being felt in liberal bubbles such as Silicon Valley for the first time. The left is correct to be terrified of a Trump-led NSA snooping on their communications, especially since Silicon Valley giants like Google and Facebook can be forced to spy on users on behalf of Trump’s NSA. However, this precedent was not set by Trump – he hasn’t even taken office yet. The first major incident of a US tech giant being complicit in US government spying actually took place in 2015 under the Obama administration(new window).

Can someone remind me about the terror campaigns we had against the political right before Trump was elected?