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Yep, I’ve got 4gb of RAM and 2 vCPUs and am in Synapse Admins with 10.9k users. Sooo… Yeah?

Again, though, if you want to use XMPP just use it - stop lying to people to get them into your camp.

It’s not a fucking soccer team.


It still exists; it’s fine - for all intents and purposes. It fizzled out because most of the features people wanted were optional extensions to the protocol, so you wouldn’t have every feature with every client/server.

Say what you want about Matrix, having one company pushing it with a core API and user-facing application that is “good enough” (I’m not a fan of Element myself, but it does the trick for normal people looking to sign up) makes it easier to adopt.

Case in point, check out the software page of the XMPP.org website. For each piece of software there’s a small dropdown showing you how compliant it is with each standard. That kind of decision making - beyond just “which one looks/feels the nicest” - is kind of what’s been holding XMPP back all these years. (in my opinion)

Shame, too, as XMPP has always been pretty great.


You’re not wrong, but if we’re talking about the longevity of the network then I’d recommend looking at non-synapse servers. Synapse is designed to scale horizontally, not vertically.

If you want something with more bang for your buck, with the potential for vertical scaling for small to medium size deployments, then Dendrite and Conduit are more viable alternatives.


Sorry, I meant for personal use. It’s absolutely okay for a synapse server running 1~5 users connecting to large rooms and using multiple Appservices for bridging in other networks.

Source: Been doing that for 3+ years.

If you’re looking for something for 500 users, I wouldn’t recommend a $5 VPS.


This video: “Matrix really bad, xmpp really good. Trust me bro.”

Probably one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever had to watch - regardless of the arguments being made. Also, the narrator sounds like a broken TikTok AI voice.

Just some responses:

  • you don’t have to use matrix.org, there are other sites you can sign up for (and thus avoid Google captcha)
  • you don’t have to use element, there are other clients (including element forks, if you want some of its beta features)
  • You can use ntfy and host your own push notifications - but for instant notifications on Android you’ll always need GMS as Android won’t allow an alternative. (and, no, I’d rather not root my phone, thanks)
  • re: xmpp is easier to setup: first pick a server, then deploy it, then pick a client. Just like Matrix. Almost like they’re both very similar.
  • re: synapse being hard to run: a $5 a month Hetzner box is enough for it.
  • re: dendrite not having enough features: it hasn’t been released yet and is still under development? The fuck are you smoking over there?
  • re: matrix requires an email to sign up: it does not, only the server you’ve arbitrarily chosen to focus on does

So much trash in this video, it’s crazy.

If you like XMPP, use it. If you like Matrix, use it.

Edit: I also like how the video author ignores all other matrix clients, but then pretends like XMPP has one client (unnamed, of course) that handles all of Element’s short comings.

Seriously, if you like XMPP so much, just go use it. Why make such a bizarre post?

Edit 2: Most of the links on your website are broken - giving an Nginx 502 error - so I wasn’t able to figure out what you’re trying to sell us. Maybe instead of making videos like this you can go and learn how to deploy Nginx properly?